The OTP performance is a totally flawed system and ultimately means nothing to the punter - the stats are reported to the public typically on a network basis not by operational sector or dare I even mention by a/c type.

Smart punters know to avoid certin a/c types as they do take longer than others to board/disembark and others are uniquely & regularly delay prone due maintenance/breakdown etc etc.,

OTP performance should be a more articulate measure - and not subject to the masking techniques perfected by some carriers.

To put balance in the entire argument please note that CityRail (Sydney) and Metro (Melbourne) both offer better OTP than the major carriers, including the much lauded, praised and boasted JQ miracle 20 minute turnarounds.

Sadly like all things in RPT aviation there are too many people shuffling the papers and fighting about the insignificant while the real important stuff is overlooked.

AT

Genisis Dreaming, perhaps you had better go back & read Starts with P's post again. And this time read it a little more carefully!

It's not really apples with apples though is it?

How many people are involved with turning a train around compared with a jet?
How badly does a head wind effect arrival time on an average length sector for a train?
Does poor weather reduce the number of train arrivals and departures by 70% per hour?

In Melbourne it does mate, the tracks buckle above 40degC

:}

Agree with your point however

Ken is a complete knob
 

Oh Ken, you really should stick to viewing aircaft take-off and landings at the end of the runway, with all the other 'spotters' wearing raincoats with binoculars in one hand and their d#cks in the other.
You see folks, Ken gets all uppity whenever a negative comment is made that could relate to his beloved Ops friends. Truth is that Ken should cease his postings/ramblings /illogical ****e immediately and go back to playing with his plastic QF toy planes. Tosser......

Forty degrees!!! Thats rediculous, I'd buckle too in that.

framer
In Melbourne it does mate, the tracks buckle above 40degC
Forty degrees!!! Thats rediculous, I'd buckle too in that.


Yes, it may be 40 degree ambient but track level temperatures may be 50 degree or higher.


Mike

framer - think you've missed the point.

The argument is in the irrelevancy of the OTP stat itself and the compromised method used to measure and quantify.

Notwithstanding the varying factors between different transport modes, the claims of quality/performance based on an aggregated and somewhat subjective percentage are little more than fiction.

However, in context, and based on QF's own proclaimations, it is currently totally reasonable and correct to say that the trains have better OTP than planes. - (a few 40 degree plus in Melbourne might sway the equation in peak summer).

If it goes the other way, then I'm more than sure it will be attributed to those 'misled' pilots and engineers.

(Note to the agency - forget the spec "best OTP ad layouts" ....AJ will need the money for his exit bonus)

AT

You know what is "rediculous", is the spelling on this forum. It is deserving of "ridicule".

In my ops CC report to the gate at -20 and commence boarding at -17, aerobridge or stand-off bay. If being pushed back, once the door's closed we can request push back and thence be off blocks, starting as we push back.

Whereas on a taxi-out stand-off bay, there's an extra three minutes required to start before being able to taxi.

So, a taxi-out stand-off bay puts us behind the clock before anyone does anything. Bugger having to fill out paperwork because the system is against one. :oh:

People that think they are being clever by fibbing on otp only make the problem worse. It happens at all airlines.

Pfffffffft! Oh crap........coffee all over my computer monitor yet again!

When you get even the duty schedulers saying to you at sign-on for a pattern that "we know this pattern is going to be a disaster, but that's the way the planning people have done it", then you know something is badly wrong.

Actually there is a code, 191 Airport Procedural Error. Works just fine. ;)

Safety before schedule
 

Does QF still use 990 ? JQ wont allow it to be used and they won't accept delays due to catering either.
Ken, where are you, oh font of operational knowledge ? Can you provide an accurate update or are you still out along the fence line at Avalon photographing those exciting beasts as they touch down in the crosswinds ?