QF Telling lies about their OTP
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QF Telling lies about their OTP
Releasing the parkbrake whilst still at the gate quite regularly are we boys/girls 
I wouldn't do it because you never know whose actually recording your 'actual' push time other than ATC!!! Time will tell and all will be revealed...
Take credit where credit is due, but don't try and play the company game thinking no one is watching.
I wouldn't do it because you never know whose actually recording your 'actual' push time other than ATC!!! Time will tell and all will be revealed...
Take credit where credit is due, but don't try and play the company game thinking no one is watching.
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Hey Jeff, the reason we do that sometimes is because once we are ready to push and any further delay is by ATC, we are instructed to do exactly that. Release park brake when all doors are closed and you have a tug connected and bridge has been removed, so ATC delays are not recorded as QF delays....
So....back in your box now...there's a good lad.
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Releasing the parkbrake whilst still at the gate quite regularly are we boys/girls
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Wouldnt say its about playing the company game, Jeff. Some just cant be arsed filling out the late notes.
There are so many factors that affect OTP, it doesnt matter how many codes are recorded, nothing ever changes. If management actually built a schedule that works and resourced it correctly, OTP will look after itself.
Just sayin'
There are so many factors that affect OTP, it doesnt matter how many codes are recorded, nothing ever changes. If management actually built a schedule that works and resourced it correctly, OTP will look after itself.
Just sayin'
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And what my friend are you special qualities, qualifications and expertise to comment on Resource and Schedule Planning and wheher or not it has been correctly planned? Maybe, just maybe, poor OTP is the result of poor execution. If only the pilots would stick to flying the aeroplanes....
If management actually built a schedule that works and resourced it correctly
QF Telling lies about their OTP
Releasing the parkbrake whilst still at the gate quite regularly are we boys/girls
I wouldn't do it because you never know whose actually recording your 'actual' push time other than ATC!!! Time will tell and all will be revealed...
Take credit where credit is due, but don't try and play the company game thinking no one is watching.
Releasing the parkbrake whilst still at the gate quite regularly are we boys/girls
I wouldn't do it because you never know whose actually recording your 'actual' push time other than ATC!!! Time will tell and all will be revealed...
Take credit where credit is due, but don't try and play the company game thinking no one is watching.
For a while though, virgin was doing that in Adelaide, back at the old 'terminal'... Paid someone to stand there with a notepad writing down such things...
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Unfortunately Ken,you probably wouldn't understand it. Operational staff know the time an aircraft actually takes to turn around,which often differs from what's on the schedule that a beancounter 'estimates' it can be done by.
As (supposedly) a manager you should know that so called poor 'execution' can only be the result of poor 'leadership' from management.
Operational staff know much more about such things than managers who have no operational experience ie current Qantas management.
Qantas would be in a much better place if it listened to operational staff about such things. Kudos to those with the financial know-how,but they cannot apply it to operational situations,as they do not know the operational requirements and unexpected hurdles we have to meet to get a jet out on time.
I will save the personal thoughts I have for you,as you are surely amongst those that will be culled,when the management changes again.
We will still be here
As (supposedly) a manager you should know that so called poor 'execution' can only be the result of poor 'leadership' from management.
Operational staff know much more about such things than managers who have no operational experience ie current Qantas management.
Qantas would be in a much better place if it listened to operational staff about such things. Kudos to those with the financial know-how,but they cannot apply it to operational situations,as they do not know the operational requirements and unexpected hurdles we have to meet to get a jet out on time.
I will save the personal thoughts I have for you,as you are surely amongst those that will be culled,when the management changes again.
We will still be here
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Ken you appear to be increasing your trolling rate.... both here and on sandilands blog.
Are you just fishing for some banter due boredom?
Are you just fishing for some banter due boredom?
Maybe it's because Wayne (err I mean Ken or was that Unionist) got such a battering on his QREWROOM misadventures lately...
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Originally Posted by Ken Borough
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And what my friend are you special qualities, qualifications and expertise to comment on Resource and Schedule Planning and wheher or not it has been correctly planned? Maybe, just maybe, poor OTP is the result of poor execution. If only the pilots would stick to flying the aeroplanes....
And what my friend are you special qualities, qualifications and expertise to comment on Resource and Schedule Planning and wheher or not it has been correctly planned? Maybe, just maybe, poor OTP is the result of poor execution. If only the pilots would stick to flying the aeroplanes....
Oh wait, You were serious ??
OK, Then, I'll play !!
And what my friend are you special qualities, qualifications and expertise to comment on Resource and Schedule Planning and wheher or not it has been correctly planned....
Yes Ken, Even Blind Freddy can see that the delay problem isn't the guys chucking the bags in the hold, the engineers kicking the tyres, the pilots and hosties doing their pre-flight checks or the ground staff loading the passengers !
Yes, the baggage handlers MAY be loading bags 5 minutes past scheduled departure time, but that's only because you didn't give them enough staff.
Yes, there may be no tug at departure time, but that's because out of the three we have, two are unserviceable because you cut maintenance on them.
Yes, the engineers may be late getting for the pushback, but that is because you cut their numbers and one engineer cannot be in two places at once.
Yes, the aircraft may of waited for seven minutes for the ground staff to position the bridge and open the aircraft door, but that's because you made their roster so that at certain times there are three aircraft arrivals scheduled yet only one member of the ground staff rostered on, see above re: not being able to be in two places at one time !
Do you want me to go on or are you seeing a pattern here ?
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Out of your depth once again hey Ken? Just like the virgin thread you deleted huh? As I stated in that thread, don't you ever get sick of being wrong?
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We have all seen people or groups of people trying to blame delays on everyone but themselves:
1. Paperwork is 15 minutes late, therefore re-fueler can't refuel because he doesn't know how much to put on. Therefore re-fueler is 15 minutes late filling up. Delay= Re-fueler.
2. ATC do not approve push-back when we are ready because 2 other COMPANY aircraft have called before us and are now pushed back behind us because the company organised it like that. Delay = ATC.
3. We have to hole for 15 minutes before arrival because 34 other aircraft (including 10 from my company) want to arrive at the same time. Delay = ATC.
I wouldn't drop myself in it if it wasn't my fault either, but whether the delay code recorded is accurate or not? Probably not.
1. Paperwork is 15 minutes late, therefore re-fueler can't refuel because he doesn't know how much to put on. Therefore re-fueler is 15 minutes late filling up. Delay= Re-fueler.
2. ATC do not approve push-back when we are ready because 2 other COMPANY aircraft have called before us and are now pushed back behind us because the company organised it like that. Delay = ATC.
3. We have to hole for 15 minutes before arrival because 34 other aircraft (including 10 from my company) want to arrive at the same time. Delay = ATC.
I wouldn't drop myself in it if it wasn't my fault either, but whether the delay code recorded is accurate or not? Probably not.
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2. ATC do not approve push-back when we are ready because 2 other COMPANY aircraft have called before us and are now pushed back behind us because the company organised it like that. Delay = ATC.
3. We have to hole for 15 minutes before arrival because 34 other aircraft (including 10 from my company) want to arrive at the same time. Delay = ATC.
3. We have to hole for 15 minutes before arrival because 34 other aircraft (including 10 from my company) want to arrive at the same time. Delay = ATC.
And while on the subject of delays, slightly off topic, to the QF B738 from SY to BN last night when issued the hold at CG, asked "where is all the traffic coming from?" I say "PI$$ off.". Umm...let me guess, the sky....oh no, CS, HBA, RK, MK, PH, ML....maybe even SY.....loser.
Originally Posted by waren9
Very good point. Trouble is, the code for "airline management" has cleverly been omitted.