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Old 27th Jun 2011, 13:07
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QF Telling lies about their OTP

Releasing the parkbrake whilst still at the gate quite regularly are we boys/girls

I wouldn't do it because you never know whose actually recording your 'actual' push time other than ATC!!! Time will tell and all will be revealed...

Take credit where credit is due, but don't try and play the company game thinking no one is watching.
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 13:16
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Jeff Ucker, we really don't care who is watching...
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 13:21
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Hey Jeff, the reason we do that sometimes is because once we are ready to push and any further delay is by ATC, we are instructed to do exactly that. Release park brake when all doors are closed and you have a tug connected and bridge has been removed, so ATC delays are not recorded as QF delays....

So....back in your box now...there's a good lad.
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 13:21
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Releasing the parkbrake whilst still at the gate quite regularly are we boys/girls
Oldest trick in the book.
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 13:22
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wouldn't have thought the qf gang would be looking after the company stats at the moment
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 13:34
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Wouldnt say its about playing the company game, Jeff. Some just cant be arsed filling out the late notes.

There are so many factors that affect OTP, it doesnt matter how many codes are recorded, nothing ever changes. If management actually built a schedule that works and resourced it correctly, OTP will look after itself.

Just sayin'
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 13:58
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If management actually built a schedule that works and resourced it correctly
And what my friend are you special qualities, qualifications and expertise to comment on Resource and Schedule Planning and wheher or not it has been correctly planned? Maybe, just maybe, poor OTP is the result of poor execution. If only the pilots would stick to flying the aeroplanes....
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 14:08
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QF Telling lies about their OTP
Releasing the parkbrake whilst still at the gate quite regularly are we boys/girls

I wouldn't do it because you never know whose actually recording your 'actual' push time other than ATC!!! Time will tell and all will be revealed...

Take credit where credit is due, but don't try and play the company game thinking no one is watching.
Pray tell, just who is watching and recording sufficient data to assess if such a practice even occurs, especially so with it being no secret??!

For a while though, virgin was doing that in Adelaide, back at the old 'terminal'... Paid someone to stand there with a notepad writing down such things...
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 14:27
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Trouble is Ken, many pilots have actually done stuff outside of flying planes. Myself included, my friend
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 15:34
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If only the pilots would stick to flying the aeroplanes....
If only the non-pilots/engineers would stay out of the professional pilots website hey Ken.
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 16:04
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Unfortunately Ken,you probably wouldn't understand it. Operational staff know the time an aircraft actually takes to turn around,which often differs from what's on the schedule that a beancounter 'estimates' it can be done by.

As (supposedly) a manager you should know that so called poor 'execution' can only be the result of poor 'leadership' from management.

Operational staff know much more about such things than managers who have no operational experience ie current Qantas management.

Qantas would be in a much better place if it listened to operational staff about such things. Kudos to those with the financial know-how,but they cannot apply it to operational situations,as they do not know the operational requirements and unexpected hurdles we have to meet to get a jet out on time.

I will save the personal thoughts I have for you,as you are surely amongst those that will be culled,when the management changes again.

We will still be here

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Old 27th Jun 2011, 22:56
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Ken you appear to be increasing your trolling rate.... both here and on sandilands blog.

Are you just fishing for some banter due boredom?
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Maybe it's because Wayne (err I mean Ken or was that Unionist) got such a battering on his QREWROOM misadventures lately...
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Old 28th Jun 2011, 00:49
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Originally Posted by Ken Borough
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And what my friend are you special qualities, qualifications and expertise to comment on Resource and Schedule Planning and wheher or not it has been correctly planned? Maybe, just maybe, poor OTP is the result of poor execution. If only the pilots would stick to flying the aeroplanes....
Hahahahahahah............

Oh wait, You were serious ??

OK, Then, I'll play !!

And what my friend are you special qualities, qualifications and expertise to comment on Resource and Schedule Planning and wheher or not it has been correctly planned....
"Hello, I'm Freddie...... Blind Freddie"

Yes Ken, Even Blind Freddy can see that the delay problem isn't the guys chucking the bags in the hold, the engineers kicking the tyres, the pilots and hosties doing their pre-flight checks or the ground staff loading the passengers !

Yes, the baggage handlers MAY be loading bags 5 minutes past scheduled departure time, but that's only because you didn't give them enough staff.

Yes, there may be no tug at departure time, but that's because out of the three we have, two are unserviceable because you cut maintenance on them.

Yes, the engineers may be late getting for the pushback, but that is because you cut their numbers and one engineer cannot be in two places at once.

Yes, the aircraft may of waited for seven minutes for the ground staff to position the bridge and open the aircraft door, but that's because you made their roster so that at certain times there are three aircraft arrivals scheduled yet only one member of the ground staff rostered on, see above re: not being able to be in two places at one time !

Do you want me to go on or are you seeing a pattern here ?

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Old 28th Jun 2011, 04:54
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Out of your depth once again hey Ken? Just like the virgin thread you deleted huh? As I stated in that thread, don't you ever get sick of being wrong?
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Old 29th Jun 2011, 01:40
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We have all seen people or groups of people trying to blame delays on everyone but themselves:

1. Paperwork is 15 minutes late, therefore re-fueler can't refuel because he doesn't know how much to put on. Therefore re-fueler is 15 minutes late filling up. Delay= Re-fueler.

2. ATC do not approve push-back when we are ready because 2 other COMPANY aircraft have called before us and are now pushed back behind us because the company organised it like that. Delay = ATC.

3. We have to hole for 15 minutes before arrival because 34 other aircraft (including 10 from my company) want to arrive at the same time. Delay = ATC.

I wouldn't drop myself in it if it wasn't my fault either, but whether the delay code recorded is accurate or not? Probably not.
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Old 29th Jun 2011, 02:35
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2. ATC do not approve push-back when we are ready because 2 other COMPANY aircraft have called before us and are now pushed back behind us because the company organised it like that. Delay = ATC.

3. We have to hole for 15 minutes before arrival because 34 other aircraft (including 10 from my company) want to arrive at the same time. Delay = ATC.
ATC do not delay aircraft. Other aircraft delay aircraft. Massive difference.

And while on the subject of delays, slightly off topic, to the QF B738 from SY to BN last night when issued the hold at CG, asked "where is all the traffic coming from?" I say "PI$$ off.". Umm...let me guess, the sky....oh no, CS, HBA, RK, MK, PH, ML....maybe even SY.....loser.
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Old 29th Jun 2011, 02:51
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Very good point. Trouble is, the code for "airline management" has cleverly been omitted.

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Old 29th Jun 2011, 02:57
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I know I source the delay throughly.
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Old 29th Jun 2011, 02:59
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Originally Posted by waren9
Very good point. Trouble is, the code for "airline management" has cleverly been omitted.
hmmm, sounds like an engagement survey!
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