Good example is when Tiger A320s are parked at the bay on the Gold Coast at T2. The aircraft wing is about 1m away from the fence/path , you are no closer than those pax boarding, yet you have people talking on mobiles, taking pictures of the pretty tiger tail etc...

Their may be one additional ramification in that if you continue snapping away, after they tell you not to, could land you in more trouble than it's worth.

Regardless of if they re wrong, failing to follow the directions of the crew is pretty serious. They can make up whatever excuse they want when push comes to shove they may tell a porky pie to save their bacon and get you in deep ****e... Seen it before. Best just take their name and a nice letter or so to their superior might be better... Security or whatever excuse they use they are "escorting" you and responsible for you airside - wouldn't matter who you are.

We all know security is not the real reason (except for raaf bases) but it's their train set unfortunately and if they make a rule that you need to skip to the plane to board they will figure out a way to make you comply.

As i said before hundreds of punters all taking random photos all over the shop "is" a problem . Maybe try asking them to supervise you in a suitable location at a suitable time of boarding to take the photo. Then when that say no "bin laden" then follow up with whatever you like. I'm, as others probably are, more than happy to help people take a nice photo... Not happy to tell the cc they have lost control of the boarding process due to strays...

Xcel

Small point, but I think you will find that cabin crew authority does not extend beyond the aircraft door.:)

Maui

I have been told not to photo out through the window on a Jetstar A320 as I wanted to take pictures of the city from the air.

Jarden - Dont think it had to do with the photo component - perhaps the mythical electronic device you were using -

Maybe my camera would upset the pilot's instruments or something.

Maybe that's why tiger went below mda - punter took a photo of city lights:ok:

Think you missed the part where I said they stopped taking pictures when asked to! :} I just asked her to clarify a) as her statement surprised being that I was doing the same job at the same airport, and no memo had been issued and b)she was being a snotty brat with attitude- could have worded it much more nicely without shouting at people making them feel about two years old.

as explained to me by the WAC security guy, the airline cannot tell someone to stop taking photos, unless they are on the steps/in the aircraft. The airport staff have to be the ones to do so- Given it was the airline staff telling us off, they technically (at least at Perth) were in the wrong- it should have been airport security or safety officer if we're going to get nitpicky about procedure here. As he told it to me, a pax snapping a photo, as they walk along the marked walkway, should not be getting told off for it, unless they are using a mobile phone to take a picture. I think most smart people can tell the difference between a proper camera and a phone.

Anyway, we all know the days of many ground staff having any common sense/initiative are long gone considering most of them are getting a wage on par or lower than McDonalds.

McAirport??

Well, I guess there'll be a rush on solid fences that you can't take a photo through & we'll have to put a roof over the airports to stop those pesky satellites taking snaps too!

That could have become awesomely hilarious. It's not a schoolyard and snotty ramp chicks don't have the authority to take stuff from people unless it's a major safety hazard. If it had happened, they should have called the AFP to make a theft complaint. :E

Why do so many airport workers have to scream at people and constantly assert their sometimes questionable authority? It's completely unneccesary, often counter-productive and just plain rude.

It must depend on the port. The rule here (although it's rarely enforced) is that for any photos you must get permission from the airport and the relevant airline. If the airline were to direct someone to stop taking photos of their aircraft or equipment, the airport would support them on that.

I have seen Virgin staff very politely and efficently tell a pax to stop filming when he was loitering on the ramp taking video footage of their staff loading the hold. It was just after the camel suit fiasco and all the airlines were jumpy about bad press, and he was also making the ramp staff nervous. IMO it was a reasonable request that was handled very professionally. Legislation and rules aside, if you take a camera anywhere near Qantas baggies you're liable to get plenty of not-so-polite suggestions about where to stick it. :eek:

Witw
 

Yeah, that's what I meant, this info was specifically speaking about Perth. It was awhile ago so it might have changed. Although they did say that if it did, they would put signage up just like they do for mobile phones. (Not that most people pay any attention to that, either!)

Of course if they asked us to stop we did, my issue was not with being told to stop but the manner in which it was done (Hands on hips, getting up in our faces, childish attitude etc). As you say, there's a way to do it. I had to say the same things all the time, but I would never have spoken to a pax they way this 'child' did. A simple, "Excuse me, picture taking is not allowed" would have sufficed for 99% of the population.

I don't get why, if it is such a big deal to the airport, that they don't just stick signs up and be done with it??

The only time I have ever physically touched a pax on the tarmac was one who was wandering off with headphones on, oblivious to her surroundings (against rules of course) and I had to grab the back of her jacket to stop her getting hit by a baggage tug. Just about made us both fall over!! :E

The points made earlier about walkways along fencelines always did make me chuckle- there I am having to tell someone they can't use their phone when less than a meter away on the other side of the fence is a whole bunch yapping away!!! :ugh:

Photography on, of, or somewhat perplexingly "over", a Defence establishment is an offence under the Crimes Act and Defence Act. No part of Darwin's airport lease (or those at OAK, WLM, TVL, TDL, LMT or CUT) excise the leased land from the provision of those Acts, although these laws are very rarely enforced - the RAAF positively encourage spotters and photographers at WLM by providing parking, seating, and a convenient cafe with piped ATC audio.

Additionally once airside, passengers are obliged to follow the lawful directions of ground personnel under the Transport Security Regulations. So "the guy" may or may not have been a douche, but he was at least speaking the truth.

Personally, given how long Ma, Pa and the Three Kids take to board your average JQ/TGW flight using the stairs, I'm not surprised ground staff are keen to minimise the farnarkling time by keeping them controlled and, most importantly, moving. Some idiot with a $2000 camera and a $20 airfare is a prime candidate for sticking his eye to the viewfinder and backing into a luggage cart while he frames the perfect shot.

There is a time and a place.

The ground staff should be able to use common sense in each situation.

The ground staff shouldn't lie to stop you.

Common decency would go a long way.

Next time I'll wear my ASIC and see what they do!! ( yes I know it's only supposed to be worn when engaged in blah blah.....)

Be careful doing that as a few airports now have enforcement teams for the sole purpose of checking ASICs airside and enforcing the law regarding use of and security of ASIC and VICs.

They are even handing out fines (and can charge you and take you to court if the offence is serious enough - dunno what you need to do for that though) which are charged to the individual (not the company they work for).

In my experience when I was on the ground as guest services it is because people continue to snap photos or use their electronic devices when they were told not to at the gate and then also when told by the actual staff on the tarmac. For some people yelling seems to be the only way to get the point across.

Also if the staff member needs to tell someone far away obviously they need to yell as they can not leave their position if they are at the wing on full stand off as it becomes a safety issue for all the other passengers, especially those boarding at the rear.

Having worked in Perth as guest services I can tell you that WAC fully supports staff regarding no cameras etc. It is strict policy from airlines that no electronic devices are to be used on the tarmac, the only time they can be used is when in the terminal building and aerobridges. This is advised in both pre-boarding and boarding announcements for all airlines that use the WAC terminal on stand off bays so there is no excuse to be using them outside.

Can't believe three pages have been devoted to this rubbish. You can't take a photo... boof@ckinhoo. Seriously grow up!!

May i respectfully suggest you've missed the point. :{

It's the hypocrisy of the staff concerned, "do as i say not what I do" and the way in which they zealously enforce such stupid rules which might not even exist in the first place!!

However I must say I didn't think this would reach 3 pages long!!

Complete non-issue and a waste of time. Signing off...

It's the bad attitude not the rule which stinks...... fight the power! ;)

woodwork -that was the point i was making - that there are times when indeed they have every right to tell you to stop. As with the general read of all my posts on this thread - simply agreeing with nitpicker that the manner it is said is sometimes not ideal. I was also trying to make the point that seeing as this is a pilot network that most here would have some understanding and be able to place ourselves in their shoes at times to understand their frustrations.

As for their duties stopping at the door -i think you'll find they have a duty of care and due diligance to ensure your safety at all times. If your eye is glued to the view finder and you walk into a prop - or get run over by a tug etc then who will the finger be pointed at??

I also agree some manners could go along way - but as for the lying about the circumstances. Just look at our pollies...

It goes even further as to why a reason is even required. If a person looking after your safety on the tarmac asks you to stop doing something then why would you need to ask why? are you that arrogant? As i said earlier if you asked them at the gate etc for a window of opportunity perhaps they would entertain you.

As for wearing your asic - you already answered that. And answered my question above with your additional comment - blah blah blah.

agreed 3 pages because you didnt get your own way - :{