Stick to your COB times and holding shouldn't be too bad! :E

Bloggs you are a funny bugger :}

Not much FTDK action down here....or TL for that matter. He has gone incognito and only seen in PTDK's and them CTTDK's of late.

Jaba's have even been bumped around of recent times even, so yes it is getting crowded!

Have to say the BN CEN / BN APP folk have been working their butts off and have been doing a stellar job under the pressure. :D:D:D

J:ok:

Last Thursday evening. CAVOK

What has CAVOK got to do with anything? Can you fit more aircraft on runways when it's CAVOK?

Are you saying the arrival rate is not affected by the weather?

I was only clarifying that weather wasn't causing all the holding. No point posting a traffic picture covered in holding patterns if terrible weather is causing it.

Stop your whinging about traffic delays you 'flyboys'...

I flew on one of our Domestic airline carriers the other day and guess what......

# I had to WAIT at check-in (why couldn't they tell prior to leaving home that there would be delays);
# I had to line up & WAIT to board the aircraft even though I asked for priority...
# I had stand in the aisle & WAIT before reaching my seat (where's my boarding slot time...)
# I had to WAIT in the aisle (yes CAVOK as well...) before getting off
# .....& yes I had to wait to get my bag.....

Perhaps too many passengers per staff and limiting hardware processors...??

At least I realize it's a game of maths.....

How much money did all those delays cost you dreaming?

I didn't realise airline pilots had to pay the fuel truck driver with their own money! :ok:

Livin the Dream,

How big a sweat did you break out in knowing that you were sitting at 30,000 ft running critically short of fuel because the traffic delays were in excess of the NOTAM'd time?

Exactly.

I was on a flight inbound to BN Friday night. Was holding for 50 mins at what must have been 50nm out as it took at least another 20mins to get on ground. Admittedly the weather was very poor, but still not good enough. This is occurring national wide. With the implementation of the new traffic management system things have gotten worse. This is supposed to be a better product.

Out of the 3 major "J" curve dromes the order of muck-around is BN,ML then SY in that order .
Yep to me it seems ML is more troublesome than SY mostly. BN you can forget they get first prize for working against 'Juliars' Carbon Tax rubbish!

BN really have gotta improve it's 2nd AP infrastructure, it's impossible to get off the plane! (Blacka):)

I'd hate to be an ATC'er working with their hands tied behind their backs.


Wmk2

DJ & SUC - you guys still don't get it.....

It's the airlines that organise their own scheduling...

It's the airport owners who spend (or most time don't...) on airport infrastructure (2nd runways, more efficient high speed taxiways, etc)...

ATCers catch the mess.....and cop the blame...!!

I'm not saying it is not a problem - because it is....and it's only going to get worse. It's a simple game of maths.

As far as traffic notam delay accuracy.....it's the airlines that need to keep the system (Metron) up to date. So guess what - if THEY don't - IT don't tell the right story...

Just a thought....

LTD

LTD,

We get it mate, we get it!

None of us saying it ATC fault, that was your assumption. It is ATC who hold us, they might cop some flack from the drivers, we cop it from the pax, round the world it goes.

Whether its infrastructure, (BN), curfew, (SY), or some other reason, (ML) I don't care. The three busiest airports in Australia have excessive holding for whatever reason. That's what we are saying. It should be fixed. He government is the biggest problem here, what other government in the world forces an international airport to close at 11pm because some FW decides to buy a house near the airport and complain about noise. Why do we have only 1 RWY operating at BN? Use the other one. Build another one, start spending money where it's needed, not on some insane Carbon Tax scheme and handing it out to everyone to appanrently compensate.

The airlines arrange there own scheduling yes, but in accordance with slot times available. Close and airport, restrict an airport and you create a problem, don't accept more traffic without specific room for it, just because of revenue.

Dont run out of steam....things are about to get worse with the works scheduled to commence on BN taxiways....notably A7....:ooh:

at the alternate I take it..

Just one for you approach guys, arrived in the cripple from the west the other morning 5.15amish, and had the delightful experience of having to fly the full RNAV arrival for Rwy 19, rather than getting the usual direct to sinnk from 100 miles out or so.
Just wondering what the thinking was, given there where no departures or arrivals within 5 minutes of our arrival, and that the extra track miles ate about 1000 usd extra worth of jet fuel.
Is this something new? Also anecdotally, guys I'm flying with seem to be of the opinion that there seems to be a bit of a concerted effort (conspiracy if you will) to back guys into corners..and then try and trap them resulting in a violation i.e. "you have approx 45 track miles to run" then getting cut in on a 10 mile final 3000 feet high:ooh:
Never had it happen to me, but I'm now hearing it often enough with guys going into BNE to be wondering if there is anything to it.

PM on its way P-Dubby :ok:

As for the conspiracy theory, I'm with you....it's just that I've heard it once to often to dismiss it out of hand (probably just means they are all paranoid idiots:E)

Don't see any conspiracy there. Just the ATC guys and girls trying to provide the best service and maximize the use of the available airspace and runway.
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