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TIMA9X

14th Feb 2011 04:40

Unions will meet with Qantas management again this week

Qantas, pilots to resume pay talks | News | Business Spectator

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Unions will meet with Qantas management again this week to try to thrash out a deal over pay and conditions for international pilots,
The pilots want a 2.5 per cent annual pay rise and are demanding job security under a new enterprise bargaining agreement (EBA).
Qantas has previously said the wage push, along with claims for staff travel, would cost about eight per cent year on year, although the union disputed this.
"We believe there's errors in the way they have calculated it," Mr Jackson told reporters outside the Melbourne meeting.
A Qantas spokesman said the calculations were reached by taking into account the cost to the company of the wage claim, requests for improved travel benefits and reclassification of wages.

Good to see the door is suddenly open again.... trust things will be more civil this time,

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reclassification of wages.

What is all that about? The spin from QF is annoying!

Capt Kremin

14th Feb 2011 05:15

The reclassification is a quasi fleet pay claim. Same rates for A380/744 and A330/767. It also means that the pay rate for any new aircraft is automatically set according to payload. I think the 787 would come in at the A330/767 rate but haven't seen the details.

The other important thing to remember is that these rates would be phased in over time in a schedule that hasn't been agreed to... so it is difficult to see how QF can make any claim on how much it will cost.

The other real important thing to remember is that the A380/A330 guys will only get the 2.5% p.a. The dying fleets, the 767 and the -400 will come up according to the schedule, but as those aircraft leave the fleet and the pilots move on to the Airbus aircraft then they will not get a pay rise for the promotion unless they can go 767 to the A380.

TIMA9X

14th Feb 2011 07:07

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would be phased in over time in a schedule that hasn't been agreed to... so it is difficult to see how QF can make any claim on how much it will cost.

Agree, reclassification really is not relevant for this time, a firm delivery date for the B787 (as of today) is still far from certain.

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I think the 787 would come in at the A330/767 rate but haven't seen the details.

The way I see it everyone's seniority will be bogged down with "red taped big words". I believe AJ should agree to the 2.5% increase for pilots as a good will gesture considering the fleet planning delays which has nothing to do with the pilots, it is a management problem. They seem to be trying to confuse the two issues.

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