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Air Asia Expands in Australia
I note Air Asia is starting flights from Darwin - Bali, and connect on to the rest of asia.
I picked a random date and compared with Jetstar, Air Asia $70 AUD Bali Darwin Jetstar on the same day $189. Air asia Bali Singapore $80 AUD. This should liven up the market. So Darwin Bali $70 each way Bali to Phuket $115 return three flights Bali - Singapore $80 each way. Other destination ex Bali include jakarta, Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok. They sent me an email a few days ago advertising Kuala Lumpur - Paris $163 AUD. If you look at their established routes and they maintain these ridiculously low fares. The world’s best low-cost airline is now flying Darwin to Bali. And we are so excited about delivering Top End service, we are offering a great launch fare from AUD99. So, like 100 million passengers have done before, you can now grab low cost, high quality airfares to Bali, then even springboard from Bali to KL, Singapore, Bandung, Jakarta, Phuket or Bangkok. Darwin, a new gateway to Bali and beyond. |
Sure will liven things up, J* can get lil starving biafrans to crew the flights for a crew meal and bottle of water.
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They already employ them don.t they?:E :E :E
I havent travelled with Air Asia, I know a few QF engineers that use them throughout Asia, and they seem to be extremely happy with whats on offer. :ok: |
Air Asia's product 5hits all over jokestar.
Price generally far better, cabin crew actually friendly, oh and a new thing out called reclining seats ( Jokestars new a/c do not have reclining seats, I hope the few dollars saved makes up for the loss of punters ), and Air Asia's premium economy extremely good value for an almost lie flat bed :ok: |
Air asia is all cheap and friendly until any sort of holiday approaches. Prices go through the roof at school holiday, c-mas and so on. I reckon they're still better than jetstar, but keep in mind the pilots are indons and i think everyone knows that nation does not have the greatest safety record. :sad:
How much is it worth to you to have an aussie crew is what you should be asking yourself when booking your tickets. |
A Jetstar 150 hour pilot or an an experienced Indo for my money.
How does Air Asia's safety record compare with that of Jetstar? |
How does Air Asia's safety record compare with that of Jetstar? Pretty sad when some Cabin crew there earn more than the pilots...:hmm: |
Pretty sad when some Cabin crew there earn more than the pilots So they both have low hour pilots, they have similar safety records, so unless people are saying that only Aussie pilots are safe, go Air Asia I say. How much is it worth to you to have an aussie crew is what you should be asking yourself when booking your tickets. |
At least as far as product and service quality is concerned, Air Asia is undoubtedly a level above Jetstar, also.
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They pay pretty poor too, about 45k FO/85k CAP (aud) Air Asia pilots don't spend $80 000 plus on training 2+ Years in GA working for below average national salaries then pay $10000 for a turboprop job then $30 000 for a jet endorsement either. Was funny to see the jaw drop on some our flight attendants when they first saw the Air Asia uniform:} |
AirAsia have had their fair share of incidents. Mainly hard landings and tailstrikes, the majority of their crew are fairly low houred, especially on the 330. To pinch a bayou expression, ya pays yo' money and ya gets yo' chance :confused:. Many 'dubious' carriers (both LCC and full cost) have no trouble attracting pax and don't pretend to be anything other than cheap 'n' dodgy. I've no problem with that, but a big problem with carriers that trade on their reputation for being safe and honourable while using the same cost saving practices as their cheap 'n' dodgy rivals. Just my $0.02. J* can get lil starving biafrans to crew the flights for a crew meal and bottle of water. |
How much is it worth to you to have an aussie crew is what you should be asking yourself when booking your tickets. |
How much is it worth to you to have an aussie crew is what you should be asking yourself when booking your tickets. http://www.aviationteamwork.com/dvds/images/an1.jpg Good question. |
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C`mon Icarus2001 ! Just some scratches really, AN undercarriage collapse and a QF overshoot, no problem.
Now quickly delete pic number 2, I can hear Big Trev screaming already !! |
Having witnessed the outcome of the training for Air Asia first hand it should be considered lucky they they have expat captains. Logging 200hrs and flying 670 does not put out a pilot who can find their way even VFR around Malaysia, someone getting lost barely 15nm north of Ipoh when they have spent the last two hours looking out the plane window is rather tragic, especially if they have are they to provide some form of first officer role in the jets when the **** hits the fan. (there are currently I believe 950 FO's like this in waiting, cpl in hand and itching to get into the red craft)
On a side note, is it possible and practical to fly the a320 single pilot in the event of crew incapacitation/incompetency? |
Whatsit Doingnow, yes asian pilots can fly, but the biggest difference between asian pilots and western pilots (aussies and the rest) is that a western pilot will speak up if something is wrong. Western pilots dont have the loss of face crap that permeates asian culture. Just look at the the recent crashes in indonesia and india where the FO has allowed the captain to crash and kill people ! Any low time western FO faced with the same situation, would tell the captain to go around, and if that doesn't occur within a reasonable time frame he would takeover and fly the go around himself. It also carries on to weather incidents at destination, a western pilot if he cannot get in from minima legally will divert, whereas the asian pilot, not wanting to incur loss of face and pressure from management from not landing at destination will push the limits, to ensure he gets in ! I just cannot believe people consider what the flight attendant is wearing and saving 50$ as more important than their lives.
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These cheap fares can be very misleading. I have to fly from an Asian port to London, then on to Kent, so I checked the fares on the Internet.
Air Asia cost $1,180. That was before added costs for meals and drinks. It also involved a long stopover in KL and arriving at Stansted at an ungodly hour. The Gulf carriers were slightly cheaper, but with full service included, two-hour stopovers and arrival at Gatwick or Heathrow. Finally, I checked my local National Airline, which is a very good in terms of safety and service. $866, direct to Heathrow arriving at breakfast time. Also, a pre-booked car to take me from Terminal 4 across London to my destination doorstep, a lot less than from Stansted (where's that, Guv?) No contest! |
Air asia is all cheap and friendly until any sort of holiday approaches. Prices go through the roof at school holiday, c-mas and so on. .. but keep in mind the pilots are indons Also, from my experience with them, the cabin crew are much more safety thorough than what I've experienced on QANTAS. Anything out of place or anyone doing the wrong thing and they jump on it straight away. I enjoy having the option to .. buy food, or not .... buying an exit row, or not .. and I've never been stranded at an airport by them. All things considered, I'm quite comfortable in continuing to fly with them. |
Sure is a lot of oz bashing here. Ok, qantas may blow a hole in the fuselage or have an engine fail but how many pax have they killed?
Jetstar service is absolutely horrible, without a doubt. The non reclining seats are on par with ryan air. But, again, how many times have they bought the farm? Finally, peuce, you are incorrect. QZ is an indonesian company. They fly the DPS routes, not AK which is Malaysian. There are very, very few expats at QZ, if any at all. Maintenance in indo is a corrupt eyewash of falsifications. So, basically, guys here think an asian tart in a short skirt and a reclining seat are important? What about the twin stripe FO who's corrupt father bribed someone to get his license? Enjoy the nasi goreng lads. :ok: |
My friend is travelling Boxing Day to Phuket from Brisbane. All flights are around $2000 at lease one way (busy time).
We found a way though to do it on the cheap: Brisbane - Darwin VB (staff pass) Darwin - Bali Air Asia Bali - Phuket Air Asia All coming to under $300AUD! Even Tiger ex PER via SIN was $1500 one way! All flights have a wait of four hours before the next (which is probably wise anyway) but for someone when money is an issue I think we did well getting her on her way. V Australia staff travel was capped for around this date so I couldn't put her on a direct flight for the way there. Pretty annoyed as there's seats but they won't tell me how many staff are booked/what the cap is. Unnecessary secrets, would've saved me time trying otherwise :ugh: I would certainly use Air Asia between Bali and Phuket - 2 holidays in one! Well done Air Asia (to the rescue)! |
Ok, qantas may blow a hole in the fuselage or have an engine fail but how many pax have they killed? |
Air Asia pilots are not undercutting their country men in a race to the bottom for conditions nor standards, unlike some Aussie pilots.
Sure is a lot of oz bashing here. Ok, qantas may blow a hole in the fuselage or have an engine fail but how many pax have they killed? Jetstar service is absolutely horrible, without a doubt. The non reclining seats are on par with ryan air. But, again, how many times have they bought the farm? Finally, peuce, you are incorrect. QZ is an indonesian company. They fly the DPS routes, not AK which is Malaysian. There are very, very few expats at QZ, if any at all. Maintenance in indo is a corrupt eyewash of falsifications. So, basically, guys here think an asian tart in a short skirt and a reclining seat are important? What about the twin stripe FO who's corrupt father bribed someone to get his license? Enjoy the nasi goreng lads. I will travel Air Asia in preference to Jetstar any day, even if there more expensive, which is unlikely. |
We found a way though to do it on the cheap: Airnorth to Darwin (via Broome) $325 Air Asia Darwin to Bali $169 Was going to cost about $800 going via Perth The connection time isn't great, into Darwin at 2140 and out at 0445 the next morning, but maybe the Discovery nightclub will be open...:ok: |
Port Headland to Bali return with Skywest is only $502, surely you can get to Port Headland return well under $500, if not its only about 200km drive
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I've heard that you can't get much cheaper than back load passage on one of those people smuggling boats !:eek:
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Yeah but the service makes even Jetstar look good (well reasonable, anyway :}).
On a positive note you'll get plenty of Customs and Immigration officers attending your arrival, unlike the major airports' 1:10,000 officer/pax ratio. |
Port Headland to Bali return with Skywest is only $502, surely you can get to Port Headland return well under $500, if not its only about 200km drive |
Catch a taxi or hire car to phe, $500.
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The race to the bottom..... of the ocean.
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Hmmmm......Did the qantas f/o speak up before the captain over ran the runway in bkk?....
You think asians are the only one with face saving problems?....what a load of bs.... |
Air asia is all cheap and friendly until any sort of holiday approaches. Prices go through the roof at school holiday, c-mas and so on. I reckon they're still better than jetstar, but keep in mind the pilots are indons and i think everyone knows that nation does not have the greatest safety record. How much is it worth to you to have an aussie crew is what you should be asking yourself when booking your tickets. |
Monk, read the report about what actually occured before you comment. Yes it was a **** up but loss of face had nothing to do with it. Having taught many asians to fly, I can say with fact that loss of face is a major problem with asian pilots. Its ingrained in their upbringing and culture from day 1.
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MrWooby
I agree asians do have face saving problems....but my point is....asians are not the only ones with that problem.....I've flown with many different nationalities.....and they all want to save face.....its just asians are more obvious..... |
Looks like their Australian flights were advertised a wee bit early..............
Just a small matter of regulatory approval to sort out. http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/ho...27-12eac5.html Holidaymakers have had travel plans thrown into disarray after budget airline AirAsia X cancelled direct flights from Melbourne to Bali with only days' notice. The Malaysian airline was forced to cancel the flights after it failed to gain approval for the new route, which was due to start on December 26, from Australian and Indonesian aviation authorities. Passengers received text messages on Christmas Day notifying them that flights from Boxing Day onwards had been cancelled and they would instead be flown to Bali via Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Passengers received text messages on Christmas Day notifying them that direct flights from Boxing Day onwards had been cancelled and they would instead be flown to Bali via Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. The new route stretches a six-hour journey out to 13 hours and some travellers will arrive a day later than expected, leaving pre-booked accommodation wasted and forcing some to miss family weddings. Melbourne woman Angela Menz was due to fly direct to Bali at 6.30pm on Saturday, only to learn she would not depart until 1.45am on Sunday. "On Christmas Day I got a text to say the flight had been changed and that it was now going via Kuala Lumpur," Miss Menz said. "I'd pre-booked my hotel accommodation and paid for it and airport transfers, so that's all gone to waste. "We were originally arriving just after 10pm tonight, but now I'm not arriving until the next day at midday." When Miss Menz, who was travelling to Bali for a one-week holiday with her boyfriend, called the airline, she was told the last-minute change was due to an "administrative issue". She said she chose to fly with AirAsia after it had heavily advertised direct flights. Other passengers took to the airline's Facebook page to vent anger over the disruptions. "Thankyou for wrecking our family Christmas and my daughters wedding (sic)," Julie Chumbley wrote. "My daughter is due to be married on the 28th dec 2014 in bali and my daughter in law is a bridesmade and my son is walking her down the isle. "This was until you changed my daughter in laws and sons Direct flight from the 27th dec 2014 to leave on the 28th dec with a stop over in kuala lumpa in which they will miss the whole wedding!!" Another passenger, Melissa Cook, posted: "It's 1.45am, Xmas morning & I've just received a text advising that my direct flight tomorrow morning (26/12) has been cancelled!!!! "Advertising was fierce for sucking Australian consumers into thinking that you would really be flying Melbourne to Bali direct from 26/12!" Passengers do not yet know if return flights will go direct to Melbourne or via Kuala Lumpur. An AirAsia X spokesman said the flights were diverted because of "an unforeseen delay in the approval process for necessary documentation." The spokesman said the airline was working with relevant authorities, including Indonesia's Directorate General of Civil Aviation and Australia's Civil Aviation Safety Authority, to complete the required documents for the flights to go ahead. "Indonesia AirAsia X will commence the direct return flight from Denpasar to Melbourne as scheduled as soon as this process has been completed," he said. The airline would not reveal how many passengers had been affected. In November it emerged that in the first nine months of 2014, the Malaysian carrier had lost $96 million before tax in the Australian market. The airline announced three weeks ago that it would discontinue direct flights between Adelaide and Kuala Lumpur. AirAsia has been contacted for comment. |
How much is it worth to you to have an aussie crew is what you should be asking yourself when booking your tickets. |
It's your future...I am seeing...fines. Hefty ones levied by the ACCC for selling routes for which you had no approval.It seems that Air Aisa X bought themselves endless bad press, full reimbursements for costs and I am sure at least one punitive case. Excellent work AAX*
*or whatever the hell the IATA code is for Air Asia X Indonesia** ** Now there's a name that just reeks of quality:} |
"the airline didn't reveal how many passengers had been affected"
They would have hoped for a full load,but maybe not all that good. |
The ACCC won't even be interested, Austra.
These tickets were sold under the rider "subject to regulatory approval", which is a common practice for new starters, or incumbents starting new routes. So the ACCC's response would (and should) be "buyer beware". |
If I remember correctly, Jetstar did the same many years ago when they were about to start International flights to Bangkok. They started online sales of tickets months in advance of launching. I was sitting on the edge of my seat hoping that they would get the regulatory approval before my departure date which was around Christmas time, and sure enough they did.
I'm not surprised Indonesia Air Asia is having a longer than expected delay in getting their approvals, especially if the delay is due to the Indonesian regulator. Having spent a considerable number of years dealing with Indonesian bureaucracy myself, there will always be hurdles to overcome for no apparent reason. wink wink ... :ouch: |
You get what you pay for.
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