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Further evidence that possibly suggests that training standards are on the slide!!
Deaths from aircraft accidents worldwide on the rise DEATHS on commercial aircraft worldwide rose 15 per cent last year while the overall accident rate involving Western-built jets fell to an all-time low. Those figures were released Wednesday by the International Air Transport Association, a trade group for the world's airlines. The group said 786 people died in 23 separate accidents last year, up from 685 deaths in 18 fatal crashes in 2009. The figures include all kinds of jets and turboprops operated on commercial flights but don't include private or military aircraft. The most common cause of accidents remained planes leaving the runway during takeoff or landing. Many incidents involved wet runways, or too much speed. IATA said there was one serious accident last year for every 1.6 million flights operated with Western-built jets compared with one for every 1.4 million flights in 2009. It said 2.4 billion people flew safely on 36.8 million jet and turboprop flights last year. The 2010 accident rate was about six percent lower than the previous best, in 2006, and 42 percent lower than reported a decade ago. The rate of serious accidents - those in which the plane was destroyed or heavily damaged - was lower among the roughly 230 airlines, including the big ones most familiar to travelers, that belong to IATA. Accidents rates were higher than the world average in the Asia-Pacific region, Middle East-North Africa and Latin America-Caribbean. The highest rate was in Africa. IATA said African airlines accounted for two per cent of worldwide passenger traffic but 23 per cent of serious accidents. Rates were lowest in the former Soviet republics and North America, followed by North Asia and Europe. Read more: Deaths from aircraft accidents worldwide on the rise | News.com.au |
Live Broadcast now
Alan Joyce speaking |
Vaseline Alan??
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You tube worthy?
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Jetstar NZ Cadets!!!
Go lady!!! |
Buchanan is a liar. CONTEMPT!!!!
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BB - 4800 applications for the cadet program. I thought he said a while ago they had 20,000 applications!
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NZ cadets on 68k per year. The evidence of these lies is on the way to the good lady senator as we speak!!!
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Popcorn ready! This is a ******* pearler! :ok:
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Looks like BB is gunna miss his flight out of CBR.
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A link to the Hansard transcript would now be handy... may take a few days to come out.
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I would love to be a fly on the wall in Alan and Bruce's taxi back to the airport.
If you are a JQ cadet or are considering it be very wary before you do your dough!!! |
Listening to some of the lies makes me sick. The industrial strategy to divide us all lives on re. the remarks about how Jetstar and QF compare with regard to the 330 pilots performance. By throwing this out there he hopes to create a pissing competition between the groups.
There is now officially zero respect for this turkey of a CEO now. Only chance we have left is coming. |
I'm hoping someone will put it on utube or something like that. Would be good viewing.
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The question that they neglect to ask is. Is a 1500hr pilot with the same training as a 200hr pilot a better pilot, the same or worse! I think we all know the answer.
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Cheezus. It got interesting when Xenophone dropped the CASA letter about stick shaker events in Qlink turbo props.
Qantas ambushed in Senate over CASA demands concerning 15 stick shaker events in its Q400 turboprops – Plane Talking |
These CEOs' need to be very careful. Contempt of Parliament is treated just as seriously as Contempt of Court. :=
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Just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the incompetance and dishonesty of these two! If the professional pilots they are so determined to exploit showed the same lack of preparation and competance in their checks as these two clowns have shown today, then they would be quickly shown the door before they ended up killing someone.
Exactly what should now happen to messers Joyce and Buchanan! |
Could someone please tell the senators that bigger airlines do not 'Poach' pilots.
It is a free labour market and if someone leaves one airline to fly for another than that's the way it is. The fact is that there has always been an oversupply of pilots in the market in the past, and owners always seemed happy to exploit that in the past. Now that things have turned around and there is a labour shortage the owners have put this idea out there that it is now poaching if a pilot leaves from one company to another. |
The Orange Emperor and his Court Jester were shameful performers - saved only in part by Borghetti's no show - it appears the brighter of the Senator's however saw through the QF JQ charade.
I did love the "take off every second" and "tech problem every 4 minutes" reference .....a new benchmark perhaps!! Note to QF CEO Minders: - somebody better tell Joyce that the entire SMS/ & risk mitigation matrix is built on net potential cost of [risk] impact....... As for AFAP!!!!!!!! - what are you thinking by saying xfer fees could be a good thing........next thing we'll see is an AFL style draft for pilots !!!!!!!!!! (that said & tempting roster karma.......I know one or two left seats that the employer might even pay for another carrier to take!!!!) Think FRMS might get a run with CASA later..... AT :E |
Any way of seeing, listening to or reading this mornings proceedings prior to the transcript release?
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go to google and type 'webcast aph' and then follow links.
These broadcasts are not archived online so you will only get this afternoon |
BB stated at Jetstar "we" have an FRMS.
Do they actually have one? Is it currently applicable to Cabin Crew? As it came up when discussing cabin crew fatigue on MEL-DPS-MEL duties. |
Hi - any chance the entire day can be viewed on-line somewhere at a later time?
I'd love to see this tonight? |
This morning proved just how inept these two are at running an airline, cost cutting and lies, thats all they have.
It was good to see Sen Heffernan state to AJ that "he could talk under cement", a clear indication that they believed they were being treated with contempt. The sh#t that came from BB mouth was unbelievable, especially in regard to the basing of pilots offshore and in regards to wages and condition and pilot hours from graduates of the cadet program. At the end he had a look on his face that even he couldn't believe the crap that had just came out of his mouth. Lets hope that these two clowns get what they deserve, SACKED, and hopefully prosecuted for unthruths told during their short but eye opening appearance. It was also a shame to see PW sitting next to these two during this circus, a good man being set up for failure. One thing is for certain, one recommendation from this enquiry will be 1500 hrs min for RPT ops as they will follow the lessons learnt and the lead taken in the US. |
any transcripts please anyone ?
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Lets see where Petteford's arrogance gets him with Sntr Heffernan and Senator Xenophon!!
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John, the transcripts come in later, here's a link to the transcript page, check back over the next week or so - Inquiry into Pilot training and airline safety including consideration of the Transport Safety Investigation Amendment (Incident Reports) Bill 2010. Here's the link to this committee's home page.
Later I will post a link to enable you to download a series of files with the audio from this afternoons hearings that I am currently capturing from the live stream. |
burrito - are you doing a rap mix of AJ & Bruce???
....maybe a ringtone!!!!!! |
thanks breakfastburrito :ok:
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Sorry to disappoint, I only managed to capture from ~13:20. Unfortunately the T&C of the broadcast include:
The Commonwealth Parliament makes the broadcast material available on the following condition : The material shall not be used for: political party advertising or election campaigning satire or ridicule commercial sponsorship or commercial advertising There will be full transcripts available in the near future from the committee page. |
would be contempt of Parliament |
Unfortunately I didn't get to listen to the broadcast, a lot of posts are ranting about lies and contempt but little provided in the way of examples. Anyone able to provide a more balanced commentary?
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You'll be able to ask Alan Joyce, Bruce Buchanan and some of the others shortly cause the Committee should be calling CONTEMPT when they get some contradictory primary evidence and the AFP will be knocking on their doors!!
Not even the excuse of I must have mis-understood. - It was blatent!!! |
D!ckheads
If Stalin or any of the more unsettled types here really believe that lies have been told or the Senate mislead, it surely is incumbent upon them to make a written submission refuting the alleged lies and then making themselves available to be orally examined by the Senate Committee.
Oh, I forget that this is PPRUNE where character assassination, scant regard for the truth, and unbalanced emotional argument is par for the course. |
Hey Ken
It is already in the email inboxes of each of the members of the committee. but they are busy listening to CASA at the moment. Do not be surprised if AJ and BB get called back. |
Ken,
Bit hypocritical to call people dickheads then complain about character assassinations don't you think? As an example seeing you asked so politely, there is plenty of information in the public arena with respect to pay and conditions of jobs within Jetstar and how they are moving jobs overseas, not just pilots, this is a fact. Now go and watch BB response to the question. When asked about future plans and (s)tragedies to grow these jobs offshore, directly asked by the way. What was the response? When asked the actual FLYING hours a cadet pilot joining J* has? remember flying hours, not sim time, what was BB response?? How about the response to cabin crew training in regard to first aid? The fact is cabin crew are required to have a first aid certificate as a requirement before they join, the QF group do not provide this training. so what was BB response to the question regarding the dead passenger, diversion to Darwin and the training standard for first aid of the questioned flight attendant? True or misleading? Tell me wise one. I can go on and on but I won't, all that I will say is that you actually go and do some research before you embarrass yourself again. |
Heffernan calls Qantas chief a 'bomb maker'
Mr Joyce laughed off the bomb maker comment. (AAP: Sergio Dionisio) Firebrand Liberal Senator Bill Heffernan has called the Irish-born head of Qantas, Alan Joyce, "an old Irish bomb maker". The comments were made as Mr Joyce appeared in front of a Senate estimates hearing in Canberra today. Senator Heffernan initially asked if Mr Joyce came "from a long line of Irish bomb makers", before later calling him one. "Mr Joyce if the power was yours, you know from being an old Irish bomb maker, if you had the choice, what would be the ideal pilot training?" he said. The Qantas head laughed off the comment, and Senator Heffernan made several other Irish jokes throughout the hearing. The New South Wales senator is no stranger to controversy, with a long list of public faux pas to his name, including calling Julia Gillard "deliberately barren". :8 |
Sorry to report the stream capture failed, we will have to wait for the transcript to be posted.
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