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Kharon 26th Aug 2014 22:29

Bullets and the biting thereof.
 
What I like about the Canadian report is the 'makes no bones about it' approach – they identify a problem and get it sorted.

Minuscule we know we have a problem; Canada, America; the UK; NZ; Europe; Africa; India: China; the whole flaming world and it's wife knows it. Hiding the blessed TSBC report proves nothing apart from Australia will not categorically acknowledge there are massive problems and will do anything rather than admit the fact and sort it out.

The problems are real the solutions have been provided by your Senate and by your ordered Forsyth report. At least allow Australia the dignity of being seen to address the issues and meeting the challenge. Believe it or not; we can do it with style and innovation.

Hell I'm only a tax paying citizen and the embarrassment makes me squirm; how the devil can you, as the responsible miniscule face it down? The publicly viewable Cock-up (aberration) has to be acceptable; the conspiracy to cover up the Cock-up will only expose Australia to more ridicule.

The problem with having ones head stuck in the sand is, that ones arse is stuck up in the air.

Toot, toot bloody toot....Well, I'm over it ain't I...:mad:

Up-into-the-air 28th Aug 2014 06:37

Like this K???
 
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...pxtTj843LhvH9Q

Kharon 29th Aug 2014 02:28

Nearly under the radar.
 
Why was this - ATSB - report delayed 30 months? and why was it released under the white noise coverage of Qantas and Virgin reports? Standing alone there is nothing overtly sensitive, except the incident was Feb 2012 the Senate inquiry started in October. It is noteworthy that no SR issued at the time, which is really the main duty of ATSB. But at least another, fluffy politically correct report was issued - eventually.

Why do we tolerate Beaker? he is even excluded from the Ministerial (tri-partite) briefing and left to scrounge what publicity crumbs he could, outside the main game, alone in the rain....

Stellar – absolutely what we have come to expect from the maestro of politically correct, beyond all reason safety reports.

Toot toot....:=

Frank Arouet 29th Aug 2014 04:11

Pink Batts in the belfry!
 
I believe some high ranking public servants are to be named in the report handed down by the Royal Commission into "pink batts". Be prepared to hear one very familiar to the Senate recordings read out.

Kharon 29th Aug 2014 20:43

Friday 1700 (ish).
 

HMHB – 1177 - "Send the DAS a Friday 16:59 fax.
Someone whispered in my ear today that there were indeed some 1659' ers despatched to request and require the attendance of several 'black-hats' to an 'independent' tribunal. Seems CASA have 'suddenly' (shock horror) discovered some public knowledge of a serious nature and decided to 'act' on it. The LSD problem of course is evidence, cold, hard, factual and empirical. The AFP, CDPP and the courts system is the right venue, not some cosy back room. None of this is to do with smoothing out the bumps before the reformers take over and those at the pointy end feel the wrath of course. Stable doors and bolting horses etc. methinks. Aye, but no doubt 'hehoodoovoodoo' will be viewed by history as acting 'impartially' in the matters presented; won't he??? Shirley cover-your-exposed-arse has nothing to do with the rush to reconciliation, Nah!

What was that expression – 'you can run, but you can't hide'; not from this story anyway. If you thought Hitchcock's "The Birds" was scary – wait until the Australian version is published. Remember; JQ may well be sworn into confidentiality; but no one else is. The tick tocking persists as three other time bombs await their turn.

Amazing when you think on; McComic buggers off and all of a sudden 'justice, well delayed' breaks out. Sad it's far too little, far too late and far too hard fought for.


No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.......John Donne.
Selah..

Frank Arouet 29th Aug 2014 23:16

The acting DAS may have a few scores to settle while he has the reins. Hell! may even sacrifice a few to provide overhead cover, although I think what was whispered to you may be out of his theatre of operations.


I wonder what a "cost share" on an A380 works out at.

Soteria 30th Aug 2014 00:59

An eye for an eye
 
Frank, would those be 'internal scores' to be settled? There aren't a lot of industry scores to settle that are left on the their books. They normally despatch an executioner pretty quickly when they feel the urge to draw blood. Many a chief pilot, airline management or HAAMC can attest to that. With a stacked ICC and equally dubious AAT plus the LSD which has been groomed from birth, along with a bottomless bucket of taxpayer money and successive crooked governments who have supported CASA's systamatic buggery of many an honest and compliant aviator, I see little chance of genuine change. Now 'Internal scores' are more challenging to settle due to that annoying thing called I.R laws and unions etc, so most 'trouble makers' are not easily dispatched to the history pages, but the normal process is to restructure them into a position they don't like, isolate them and create a department of just one, and so it goes. Eventually they either leave, become part of the cobwebs and spend the rest of their career bullying industry due to the massive chip on their shoulder and occasionally, only sometimes, do they join PPrune and become tendentious aviation bloggers. Tsk tsk.

Soteria 30th Aug 2014 01:06

An eye for an eye
 
Frank, would those be 'internal scores' to be settled? There aren't a lot of industry scores to settle that are left on the their books. They normally despatch an executioner pretty quickly when they feel the urge to draw blood. Many a chief pilot, airline management or HAAMC can attest to that. With a stacked ICC and equally dubious AAT plus the LSD which has been groomed from birth, along with a bottomless bucket of taxpayer money and successive crooked governments who have supported CASA's systamatic buggery of many an honest and compliant aviator, I see little chance of genuine change. Now 'Internal scores' are more challenging to settle due to that annoying thing called I.R laws and unions etc, so most 'trouble makers' are not easily dispatched to the history pages, but the normal process is to restructure them into a position they don't like, isolate them and create a department of just one, and so it goes. Eventually they either leave, become part of the cobwebs and spend the rest of their career bullying industry due to the massive chip on their shoulder and occasionally, only sometimes, do they join PPrune and become tendentious aviation bloggers. Tsk tsk.

Lookleft 30th Aug 2014 01:21


but the normal process is to restructure them into a position they don't like, isolate them and create a department of just one, and so it goes. Eventually they either leave, become part of the cobwebs
You obviously have some insight and experience in the workings of the modern public service Soteria. I know from a friend of mine that works in a different department that it is also a technique used. Simply because a physical disability required managers to put a bit more effort into managing. He was shuffled off to an area which like you stated became a department of one.

Had another friend in the PS who inconveniently didn't die from the life threatening illness he had gone on long term sick leave for, then came back to work only to find his job had been abolished!

Soteria 30th Aug 2014 08:22

Tooth for a tooth
 
Lookleft, sorry to hear about your friends experiences in the PS, however they are indicative of how the beast works. They should be no place for bullying in the workplace, full stop, however CASA have turned the term 'bullying' into a national pastime, part of their culture, an acceptable way to enforce compliance or payback. If these psycophants weren't protected by the government and they worked within industry they would have their teeth kicked in. How somebody can put an innocent person out of business and take food from their children's mouths or rob a persons wife of a secure future or how they can sleep at night knowing they have screwed over somebody with a terminal illness or handicap is beyond me...
Anyway, let's hope, no let's demand that the regulator of the future is finally stopped from employing these despicable tactics.

Kharon 30th Aug 2014 18:41

Wish list.
 

Soteria "Anyway, let's hope, no let's demand that the regulator of the future is finally stopped from employing these despicable tactics.
Second the motion. Not only should we demand an end to it; but some retrospective 'justice' for those who have been blighted, closely followed by public punishment and peer humiliation for those who merrily inflicted the damage. The unfortunate part is that the same illegal tactics cannot be used against; Golly the fuss if 'they' were treated to a dose of their own, unfair medicine. Mad when you think about it; do unto others; but don't do unto me; for I shall scream the bloody house down. Selah.

If the Senate committee could only achieve one thing, it must be putting an end to the odious administrative embuggerance, not only of operators but of individuals. The John Quadrio story is worthy of a Sunday newspaper feature article; his case is easily understood, which makes it a perfect introduction to several other personal and company cases, which are so truly disgraceful as to be almost (but not quite) unbelievable.

The McComic era has left a trail of devastation and destruction in it's wake, the roll call of travesty and bastardry is long and the clock is ticking.

Toot toot - (The fare remains the same, remember to book early during peak periods).

Kharon 1st Sep 2014 21:33

Not my turn – but.
 
The article below is, IMO applicable to Australia. It's not too long and worth a read.


John Goglia.. "Far more troubling, however, is a recent report of a breach of confidentiality of an Asap report when copies of the airman’s report were emailed to multiple people outside those authorized to receive reports. This is disturbing because without confidence in the confidentiality of the Asap system, airmen will not file and the FAAand the industry will be left without the benefit of data that only frontline employees are likely to have. In fact, after this breach of confidentiality, the number of Asap reports dropped sharply, along with NASA reports that are frequently filed by airline employees at the same time. (According to NASA data, with more than 1.1 million Aviation Safety Reporting System reports received over a 38-year period, confidentiality has never been breached.)"
FWIW.

Sarcs 3rd Sep 2014 05:59

‘The bureaucracy virus.’
 
Top catch "K".. :ok:..this bit sounds oh so familiar..:yuk: (my bold)

"...While the airmen lost their cases before the NTSB Administrative Law Judge, the full Board dismissed the FAA’s case, finding the airmen had been actually prejudiced by the FAA’s three-year delay..."

And the typical disbelief quite often witnessed here in the course of many an AAT hearing...

"...I still can’t understand why the FAA needed the NTSB to tell it that it was patently unfair to revoke the certificates of two airmen three years after it learned of alleged violations and after they had worked on airliners for those three years..."

John Goglia is quite obviously a true industry advocate and it is definitely worth regurgitating many of his articles…:cool:

For now though, I wish to pay kudos to a journo, of the local variety, that in one opinion piece totally sums up the ‘Yes Minister’ syndrome that afflicts the halls, offices and five star restaurants of Cantberra where the political elite and bureaucratic Mandarins gorge on taxpayer funded troughs…:ugh:

Miranda Devine - Insulation batts scandal: A Rudd in the roof -:D:D

Love this bit..:E

“…The bureaucracy virus has seeped into every orifice of this country — from the bloated human resources departments of corporations to the vast ranks of public servants busy spinning their wheels, to the unnatural addiction Australia has for consultants — making us the 2nd highest user in the world of McKinsey-style hot shots. It’s all easier than actually doing something useful, but it’s killing us…”

Hmm..not a good look (for pumpkin head) RED and his cronies!:=

MTF…:ok:

thorn bird 3rd Sep 2014 09:50

Ouch!! Sarcs'y!!!,

someone should ask her to have a look at CAsA.

How many "McKinsey-style hotshots" feed at the CAsA trough?

How many of those "Hotshots" were originally CAsA employee's??

How many of those "Hotshots" are receiving considerably more in remuneration as "Hotshots" than they ever received as full time employee's??

and people say CAsA is not corrupt!!

Loved this bit, sound like CAsA?? you bet!!

"Hanger’s examination of what went wrong provides a rare forensic picture into the ­internal dysfunction of modern bureaucracies, with public servants busy, busy, busy having meetings and exchanging emails, but never realising they were achieving nothing except meeting and exchanging emails".

I hear rumours that a new DAS will not be appointed until the beginning of next year, supposedly because "whoever" is from overseas and need's time to relocate.

Oh how I pray its Mike Smith, but that would probably be too much to wish for, given the extent of the "iron rings" rear guard action.

There's not much hope for a reforming DAS.

Poor old miniscule has been blitzed with dire predictions of what will happen if their is a change in the status quo.

We all know he lacks "Pendulous stability"...(no balls).

That leaves F%ck-whit-son in charge for four months, with no chance of any change from the Comics policies of embuggerance, so I expect the 1659 Friday faxes will continue unabated.

Four months will also give the cost burden of Part 61 to bite, just in time for Part 135 to sail over the parapet and complete the ethnic cleansing of GA.

What really gets in my craw is, saving GA in Australia is so simple, it lies across the Tasman!!

Kharon 3rd Sep 2014 19:48

Good press.
 

TB. –"Oh how I pray its Mike Smith, but that would probably be too much to wish for, given the extent of the "iron rings" rear guard action.
If Mike Smith has not been offered the post then the Bored has made it's first and probably fatal error. Mike could be on a jet and here ready to roll next week and does not need an introductory quarter year to be groomed by the Iron Rong. He'd hit the ground running and relax the ICAO/FAA nerves; the kudos from the Nigerian job alone would do the job.

Is giving Farq-u-hard-son a four month window of opportunity to cover up, shred and build a defence for likes of the McComic fifth column a second grave error? The smell of roses will be overpowering by the time the 'new boy' lobs in. By the time the new chum can find the exec dunny the GWM will be lined up, smiling faces, clean boots and spotless reputations. Probably not; there are 'other' ways to prevent this nightmare from becoming reality.

On the positive side , the GWM are playing against a first class team and perhaps will be back in the pavilion before the new boy arrives; Fawcett et al, plus the bored powerhouse of Boyd, Danos, Smith and Taylor can make some clear air, clear out the rubbish and get the brakes on before the Part 61 lunacy cripples what's left of industry and those who have invested heavily in it. Golly, if Truss has an epiphany and the rumours of ministerial displeasure pan out, it could just be an interesting quarter year.

We must hope that other, darker forces are in play and that the fumigators, pest exterminators, painters and decorators are sent in before the new boy arrives. In the unlikely event that the few brain cells available are used, the Acting DAS could start dishing out the parachutes while there are still some available, before the rush.

Toot toot.

Sarcs – that makes twice this week we have been impressed by the MSM journalists. What a shame that Ms. Devine or Ms. McCarthy don't report on matters 'aeronautical'; with that level of insight, talent and skill at work, it would be worth buying a newspaper again. The Telegraph article places a large red dot on some rather exposed fundamental orifices. Wasn't the Murky Machiavellian crew deeply implicated in the 'Pink Bats' saga ?– Oh dear; how very unfortunate...:sad:

Soteria 4th Sep 2014 00:05

I agree, handing the keys to the lolly shop to Terry for 4 months could see the shelves stripped bare and all the kids running about in a sugar induced panic!
However the problem is that if an international candidate has been given the green light, it will likely be a high level person who will need a good 3 months or so to disconnect from his current organisation, empower a substitute and then relocate himself down under, a process which understandably takes several months, so it is a catch 22 situation.
If 'sleepy Terry' had half a brain he would see what is coming and start massaging his troops in preparation of the inbound new DAS by cutting loose all the driftwood, cleaning out the cupboards and mentally preparing his senior people for the changes that will occur when the new DAS hits the ground running. But of course this is all based on a lot of "iff's and maybe's" isn't it?

A Mike Smith did you say? Mmmmm that would certainly be good for Australian aviation, I just hope that he will be handed a top secret intelligence report relating to the GWM who will be his number one enemy and roadblock to real change.

Frank Arouet 4th Sep 2014 00:40

subliminal non specific...
 
Mike Smith has a major problem in that he is not from Cathay. Be this as it may, not all the following are from Cathay-Swire either;


Bartsch.
Jenson.
Hall.
Ronald McDonald.
Quinn.

False economy 4th Sep 2014 06:47

Spot on bro

scrubba 4th Sep 2014 16:26

oh dear
 
Frank,

Mentioning Mike in the same post as that crowd of "all flash no substance" names is very revealing as to your perspicacity :ugh:

Kharon 4th Sep 2014 22:05

Perspicacious indeed.
 
Naughty of Voltaire, I know, but it had to be done; Mike Smith is (IMO) one the very few men 'right' for the job; if he is not recruited as DAS then he should be 2IC; replacing some of the 'top trough' dwellers. IF, that is the reform is not to be another Pink Bat fiasco or another disgraceful airport smoke and mirrors debacle.

I expect the Senate will be interested to see if 'CASA' is ever going to allow the release of the TSBC report. The rumour is that the TSBC have released it; ATSB have seen it as has Truss, but 'CASA' are blocking the publication. Although why is a mystery; what TF has it to do with CASA or the Murky Machiavellian puppet master crew is beyond my humble reach. Normally a tale like that would be dismissed out of hand; but with so much going on behind closed doors, it's hard to know what to believe.

This is why there must be at least one honest man at the top table, just to keep the rest honest and I for one would trust Mike Smith to do exactly that. He's probably had a DCM by now, considering the dark powers at work in the underworld. The silly buggers have probably promoted one (if not both) of the GWM Wodgers in the sure and certain knowledge that embuggerance rules supreme at Sleepy Hollow.

Smoke, mirrors and pink bats to keep your arse warm – for all.

Toot toot.


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