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onedottoolow 17th Mar 2011 00:18

Does anyone know if tomorrows senate enquiry is broadcast ?
It is not listed on their website.

The Kelpie 17th Mar 2011 00:39

All very hush hush about tomorrow. I am surprised the schedule has not been published yet, just sitting as TBA at the moment.

It is not unusual for the broadcast not to be listed until the day of the hearing.

Word is that it is an all day thing with morning witnesses (rumoured to be pilots) being held 'in camera' and therefore in private and unbroadcast and then the rest in the afternoon although Joyce and Buchanan have requested that some of their evidence be heard 'in camera' also.

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The Kelpie 17th Mar 2011 00:58

This is what can happen overseas


Delhi to investigate 4500 pilot licences


EVEN the most cavalier passengers knew something was amiss onboard IndiGo airlines' January 11 flight from Goa when it landed with a terrifying, lurching thud - nose wheel first - on the New Delhi tarmac.


The flight's captain, Parminder Kaur Gulati, may have been the only one that day to see nothing awry in the unconventional and perilous landing.

A subsequent investigation determined she had done it 15 times before. More distressing still was the discovery that Ms Gulati, 38, had failed one of her pilot exams and then forged her results to obtain her licence.

"Only a woman could do it,'' read an ensuing headline - one of several predictable joke lines that followed, besmirching women drivers.

As it turns out, Parminder Gulati was merely the tip of the iceberg. With a second pilot arrested for licence fraud on the weekend and an alert issued for two more absconders, India's Civil Aviation Minister Vayalar Ravi has been forced to launch a national investigation into the validity of more than 4500 Indian pilot licences.

"I have directed the DGCA (Directorate General of Civil Aviation) to examine all the licences issued in the past and to establish a procedure for more detailed verification while issuing such licences,'' Mr Ravi told parliament on Tuesday.

"I propose to set up an expert committee in the ministry to examine the current examination system, need for introduction of e-technology, new procedures and process and effective system of cross-verification of documents filed by candidates for various licences in DGCA.''

In a country where it is not uncommon for parents to present their children with a driver's licence inside their 18th birthday cards, the notion that some pilot licences may have been bought rather than earned should not come as such a surprise.

India's airlines have struggled in recent years to recruit enough pilots to keep up with demand for air travel among India's rapidly expanding middle classes.

But the revelations have shaken the community at a time when billion-dollar government corruption scams are dominating the national headlines.

Adding to the Indian aviation industry's woes - and passenger anxiety - this month is a report revealing 57 pilots were caught drunk on duty in the past two years, but only 10 were dismissed.

Mr Ravi said the remaining 47 pilots were either issued warning letters or removed from flying duties for a short period.

The Indian Pilots Guild has also called for an end to "nepotism and corruption'', citing the recruitment last year of the son of an Air India commander to its low-cost carrier Air India Express after he failed a compulsory written pilot's test.

In January this year, the same man was promoted to Air India's much sought-after Boeing 777 training program.
Last May, a plane crash in southern India killed 158 people and an official investigation later blamed it on a "sleepy pilot''
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framer 17th Mar 2011 01:15

What reason would AJ give for giving info 'in camera' ?
Is the transcript for 'in camera' given?
I can understand pilots wanting to protect their jobs but as the CEO I thought he should be able to answer any questions directed at him by any politician and be happy for that to be broadcast.
Is it a commercial sensitivity issue?

The Kelpie 17th Mar 2011 01:22

Framer

Cannot answer your questions for definate.

Given the generic questions being asked by the Senators I cannot see why the responses are commercially sensitive, unless of course you deliberately make the responses commercially sensitive to enable you to make a valid 'in camera' request to keep everything out of the public domain.

The last time he gave evidence the public was all over it and offerred hard evidence to refute his testimony leaving himself and Buchanan open to accusations of Contempt of Parliment.

Clearly he is trying to play a game. If he is not doing anything shonky there should be no problem in answering the questions in the public domain as long as the senators do not release sensitive information given in the written responses to the questions posed 'on notice'

'In Camera' evidence as far as I am aware is not included in the transcript.

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framer 17th Mar 2011 01:30

Ta Kelpie,
That doesn't seem quite right does it.
Seems like he wants to give certain answers to certain questions without all us industry folk having the opportunity to call him on the untruths and half-truths. The problem is that the senators can't spot the bullsh1t as easily as us because their knowledge of the industry is not as intimate. Not their fault at all, it's just a complex field.
Is there a way of gaining the transcript through the 'freedom of information act' or similar?

hotnhigh 17th Mar 2011 01:34

As per:
Parliament of Australia: House of Representatives: Appearing as a witness at a parliamentary committee hearing

In camera (private) hearings


If before the hearing a witness considers that information to be provided by the witness or requested by the committee is confidential, the witness can request that the evidence be heard in camera. If the request is granted by the committee, the public and media will be excluded from the hearing. The Chair or any member of the committee also may request that the hearing be in camera, particularly if the evidence adversely reflects on a third person or is subject to legal proceedings.

While in camera evidence is treated as secret when it is heard, the committee has the power to publish the evidence at a later date if the circumstances warrant such action. If the committee gives an undertaking to the witness that in camera evidence will not be disclosed, such evidence would only be released by the committee with the written agreement of the witness.



The big question, though. Hasn't the hearing already begun wrt Joyce and Buchanan's statements?

framer 17th Mar 2011 01:45

Thanks.
I think that any questions or answers that are not classified as confidential or [QUOTE adversely reflects on a third person or is subject to legal proceedings.QUOTE] need to be answered in a open manner for all to hear then. Hopefully the senators will demand this.

hotnhigh 17th Mar 2011 01:54

Exactly framer. It's hard to imagine what sort of information the respective gentlemen are trying to protect from the public domain. :ok::=
Perhaps the competitors like emirates and cathay are waiting with bated breath for the secrets of running airline businesses from the smartest guys in the room.

KRUSTY 34 17th Mar 2011 01:54

Just rang Parliment House and spoke to the girl putting together the program. Details should be on the website by tonite, and procedings start at 0945 tomorrow, finishing up at 1600. Public gallery will be open. Park in the public carpark in the lower level, enter the main marble foyer and ask for directions to Committe room 2S3.

Krusty

The Kelpie 17th Mar 2011 01:59

Cheers Krusty.

Ken Borough 17th Mar 2011 02:06


the smartest guys in the room.
If the truth be known, that would surely be the case. The Senate has produced little to suggest that there is an abundance of intelligence in the place. ;)

Kemerton 17th Mar 2011 02:11

Any chance of a website link. Cheers

Low and Fast 17th Mar 2011 03:12

Parliament of Australia: Live Broadcasting

FlareArmed 17th Mar 2011 04:42

Laws – iTunes timestamps
 
I put the timestamps for the relevant parts of the Laws show for 15 March 11 below.

iTunes is the easiest 2SM: John Laws Highlights - Download free podcast episodes by 2SM 1269AM Sydney on iTunes.

Laws intro 46:37

Woodward 47:58

Kate 1:01:17

Tim 1:14:40

Joyce 1:31:00

I couldn't find Ken Borough's email being read out.

Capt Kremin 17th Mar 2011 04:43

Hold the bulk order of popcorn.... the QF delegation may not be turning up tomorrow??!

Mr. Hat 17th Mar 2011 04:58

You're joking, I just bought one of those pop corn makers that HOYTS and GREATER UNION use.

Tickets selling fast and now I've got to give a refund?

Ken Borough 17th Mar 2011 05:02


I couldn't find Ken Borough's email being read out.
It was obviously a lowlight! :O:ok:

Capt Kremin 17th Mar 2011 05:14

Yeah sorry Mr H. Source confirms and apparently the Senators are a tad peeved.

Hopefully they may still show, but not at the moment.

rodchucker 17th Mar 2011 05:31

Does anyone know if JB is appearing or scheduled to turn up in the future?

Lets hope the Senators have some balls to take the fight to all and sundry who choose to have a battle.

Seems the Rat do want to fight the whole world, so it must be a strategy.

The Kelpie 17th Mar 2011 05:44

According to the Schedule they are not!!

9:45 am
Virgin Blue
Mr John Borghetti, Chief Executive Officer
Mr Sean Donohue, Group Executive Operations
Ms Jane McKeon, Group Executive Government Relations
Mr Rick Howell, General Manager, Flight Operations
Mr Mike Hockin, General Manager, Engineering
Mr Stuart Aggs, Acting General Manager, Safety Systems
Mr Stuart Haynes, Manager, Flight Standards
17
11:15 pm
Mr Stephen Phillips [via teleconference]
Private capacity
15
12:00 pm
Lunch
12:45 pm
Australian and International Pilots Association
Captain Richard Woodward, Vice President
Captain Dick Mackerras, Safety and Technical Consultant
6
1: 45pm
CASA
Mr John McCormick, Director of Aviation Safety
Mr Terence Farquharson, Deputy Director of Aviation Safety
Dr Jonathon Aleck, Associate Director of Aviation Safety
Mr Roger Crosthwaite, Manager, Permission Application Centre
Mr Peter Boyd, Executive Manager, Standards Division
Mr Greg Hood, Executive Manager, Operations Division
Mr Grant Mazowita, Manager, Standards Development
Mr Nicholas Ward, Manager, Certification and Airworthiness
ATSB
Mr Martin Dolan, Commissioner
Mr Patrick Hornby, Manager, Legal Services
Mr Julian Walsh, General Manager, Strategic Capability
12


The Kelpie 17th Mar 2011 05:50


Contempt of the Senate and remedies for contempt



When the actions of a witness or another person influencing a witness have the effect of obstructing the inquiries of a Senate committee (or future inquiries), those actions may be treated as contempts. Examples of such offences include:
  • Refusing without reasonable excuse to answer a question;
  • Giving false or misleading evidence;
  • Failing to attend or to produce documents when required to do so;
  • Intimidation of a witness;
  • Adverse treatment of a witness;
  • Wilfully disturbing a committee while it is meeting.
The Parliamentary Privileges Act 1987 provides that a House of Parliament may impose terms of imprisonment or substantial fines for individuals and corporations as a penalty for contempt. To date the Senate has not had occasion to use either of these penalties, preferring an educative and preventative approach. The Senate has accepted apologies and remedial action, and has encouraged government officials in particular to attend training courses on the rights and obligations of witnesses before parliamentary committees.
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The Kelpie 17th Mar 2011 06:09

Dear Alan and Bruce

I know things are difficult for you at the moment and that all your dirty little secrets are about to be exposed for the whole of Australia and the World to see. But honestly you will feel much better once it is all out in the open!!!

A problem shared is indeed a problem halved!!!

YOU MY FRIENDS ARE THE PROBLEM!!!

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TIMA9X 17th Mar 2011 06:18

Let 4 corners know if they indeed don't turn up
 

Hopefully they may still show, but not at the moment.
Suggest 4 Corners would be interested if they don't show, it would be a shot in the arm for the cause me thinks..:ok:

hotnhigh 17th Mar 2011 07:01

Perhaps an addendum to the upcoming Monday night story?:D

The Kelpie 17th Mar 2011 07:04

HotnHigh

Have we got a firm date for that story yet??

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The Kelpie

The Kelpie 17th Mar 2011 07:35

Dominic

Canberra

Web broadcast on the Senate website.

Mr. Hat 17th Mar 2011 07:44

Geez have a look at the list from Virgin. Impressive.

QF and J* a no show. AJ and BB couldn't make it worse if they tried.

The Kelpie 17th Mar 2011 07:49

Line Training or Line Operations, it does not matter as they are one of the same just like your dysfunctional company structure.

The message is Aussie flying, Aussie pilots, Aussie pay!!

Aussie Aussie Aussie!!

C'mon fair go Bruce!!

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The Kelpie 17th Mar 2011 07:55

Mr Hat (and Alan and Bruce if you are reading....I know you are!)

The chapter in the big management manual you are looking for is chapter 13 - damage limitation!!

The game is almost up.

My prediction: may/June this year QANTAS (no other subsidiaries) and all fleet repainted with our national icon on the tail.

Stand proud Australia.


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The Kelpie 17th Mar 2011 08:00

Hey Alan and Bruce

You wanna know who I am. Ok I'll tell you but only if you both front up in Canberra tomorrow. You know the time, you know the place!!

I look forward to looking you in the eyes. PM me!

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chockchucker 17th Mar 2011 08:19

FYI Bruce Buchannan and an assortment of other Jetstar management were sighted in a Singapore hotel yesterday heading up to meetings in the hotel Boardroom with a number of other un-identified people.


No doubt trying to devise more wonderful ways of circumventing the Qantas sale act.

ejectx3 17th Mar 2011 10:29

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/7...ignalldllp.jpg



Wear 'em proud lads!

Keg 17th Mar 2011 10:34

We need to update this for the correct year but the sentiment sticks:

http://images0.cpcache.com/product/1...x480_Front.jpg
:ok:

Or perhaps this one is better:

http://images4.cpcache.com/product/1...x480_Front.jpg

Enough of the jocularity...... back to the thread! :E

framer 17th Mar 2011 10:44

Where does the info come from that they are not turning up?
What could possibly be more importnat than a senate inquiry into , for all intents and purposes, flight safety in their own country?
"safety is our highest priority" lol

Low and Fast 17th Mar 2011 10:45

Gota love the Humour LOL......etc

Maybe this thread will be more popular than "Days of Our Lives".

Great Stuff

John Citizen 17th Mar 2011 12:09

Must be another wedding on, or maybe a funeral this time. :}

Keep up the good work Kelpie :ok:

John Citizen 17th Mar 2011 12:39

I actually was intending to turn up but apparently the dog ate my homework

http://static.tvfanatic.com/images/g...lper-photo.gif

John Citizen 17th Mar 2011 12:41

http://babysimpson.co.uk/info/blackb...f03_during.jpg

KRUSTY 34 17th Mar 2011 20:25

Unfortunately it is confirmed framer. The parliamentary website posted the program late yesterday, and these two slippery eels are not on it!

Damn, drycleaned my suit and everything. Lot's to do at home at least, but when they appear next time (probably under a supeona) I'll be there! :suspect:


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