Isn't this just a little bit like hearing what you want to hear? Given the publicity around LAMEs taking the action, calling it off at the last minute with no good reason really seems to have shot ourselves in teh foot.

NewPiper, you can sit back and watch management let the company "bleed out", or you can grow a spine, stand up and be counted.

Ask any ex-Ansett employee what they should have done as they observed management stuff up there?

It's a funny (sic) thing! Those that get paid the big bucks are either blind, stupid, or have another agenda. Those working at the "coalface" can see exactly what's happening.

SP - WTF are u doing???
 

SP - you're comments today telling the public NOT to fly with Qantas were outrageous! You have jumped too far over the line!
You seem to have a complete hatred for Qantas that is clouding you better judgement! They pay my bills, and the bills of thousands of other employees! Be sensible in you statements to the media!

If the company are "threatening" to dock 7 hours wage for a 4 hour stoppage - LET THEM! If it's unlawful, then pursue the legal options. We're all willing to sacrifice a bit for the bigger cause, but to openly discourage our customers NOT to fly with Qantas means they won't be flying with us for a long time into the future. Loss of market share takes a long time to recover from. Delaying a passenger is a short term pain that many of them understand and sympathise.

Can we please be sensible, and above all - PROFESSIONAL when talking to the media!

Ok. Why do you think unions take Industrial Action? ........ It's not to upset customers or in our case passengers. It's to take away from management the thing that is nearest and dearest to them, the profits. When profits fall, the owners start asking questions. The owners being the shareholders at Qantas.

Now when we take action, there is no point if Qantas are still collecting the money but planes are just going out late. That just upsets customers. Isn't it better to pre-advise customers that the product that they are buying is not going to be available?

At the end of the day, every bit of profit right now is being used in a campaign against Qantas staff. That is every red cent is being invested in airlines that are competing directly with Qantas for air services. Why would we want to feed a parent company so they can destroy the core business through competition.

When all is said and done Qantas will be damaged. But it will not be destroyed. Joyce and his mates stripped all the assets out of Ansett before its demise. If you open your eyes you will note that they are doing it again, it's just that some of us can see it before all is lost.

That's all for now.
cheers

Look what's coming
 

"No other airline does it," Mr Joyce said. "We have the equivalent of 14 licensed engineers per aircraft - our competitors average two."

Comments?

You said "Ask any ex-Ansett employee what they should have done as they observed management stuff up there"

Are you suggesting that perhaps this new QF Asian strategy will result in a Company failure?? If so, that is just speculation at this stage and to be fair, no one will really know for a few years yet. But if you want me to speculate, I think the starategy will be a Company maker because the Qantas group will become for shareholders (via Jetstar) the Ryanair of Asia.

PIOT BORD,think you hit the nail on the head with "another agenda". That would be the one that started with the purchase of Impulse.

I'll bite, ellie1.

I don't have much confidence in what Mr Joyce says, I don't think Qantas pilots are kamikazes, and I don't think the majority of Qantas staff are rogue. However, Mr Joyce has also said that Qantas is the only "investment grade" airline in the world, it is one of the most profitable airlines in the world, and it has amoung the best punctuality of airlines in the world.

Fact: Qantas has not lost one passenger due to an aviation incident.

Maybe having whatever ratio of licenced engineers that Qantas has is not such a bad thing!!!!

ALAEA Fed Sec,
When profits fall, management shoot first, then ask questions.

Hurting profits will hurt QF but more so your members. No single employee group is irreplaceable. The entrepreneurs will always find another solution.

Management started shooting a long time ago. Staff were the victims, profits were rising.

SO 2 LAMEs per dugong. Yeah right.

Get your resume ready new piper you might be a chance.

but managers ask questions first when profits are rising. For unions these days, its all unwinnable.

Fact: Qantas has lost over sixty passengers in nine fatal crashes.

I would've thought that people would have learnt by now not to believe the PR spin, lol.

Good point, if in fact it is illegal, then surely this would, in the end, be a win for ALAEA
members, would it not??

Re No other airline does it," Mr Joyce said. "We have the equivalent of 14 licensed engineers per aircraft - our competitors average two."

Comments?

Yes ellie 1 I have a comment. Allan Joyce the self professed mathemetician can't add up.
152 Qantas aircraft divided by 1600 LAME's does not equal 14. Are these the same accountants who calculated International losses.

Fed Sec I see no difference in advising passengers not to fly QF than Allan Joyce telling the WORLD Qantas international is dead. Any bad press against these morons will get them in the end. If they want it to stop then they need to sort the EBA out. Easy.

One thing boils in my brain everyday and thats Olivia's comments on tv the other day when asked what is Qantas' counter offer. Her reply "thats not how we do our business".
Isn't that how negotiations are supposed to work. Both sides giving and taking. No wonder 12 months later we have no agreement.

Qantas says

"THATS NOT HOW WE DO OUR BUSINESS." WE DON'T NEGOTIATE
"THATS NOT HOW WE DO OUR BUSINESS." WE DON'T NEGOTIATE
"THATS NOT HOW WE DO OUR BUSINESS." WE DON'T NEGOTIATE
"THATS NOT HOW WE DO OUR BUSINESS." WE DON'T NEGOTIATE


Keep up the good work Steve. The guys are 100% behind you. Better to have died trying than to sit idley by and await the slaughter from these corporate thieves.

Remember brothers these fools ran Ansett.
Joyce 71% increase in renumeration.
No new aircraft to Qantas International.
G Dixon 28 million from QF since 2008.
Qantas hates its employees.

AND WE ARE THE BAD GUYS......yeah right.

Well played today Steve and the ALAEA.

Keep up the good work.

Far safer for everyone’s pay to just have the meetings on Friday.

I agree, when we take action, there is no point if Qantas are still collecting the money but planes are just going out late. That just upsets customers. Definitely better to pre-advise customers that the product that they are buying is not going to be available?

To think what all that money could have bought as far as decent equipment and facilities.....:{