I've been advised that my original tongue in cheek comment regarding CASA may have caused some offence. It was tongue in cheek and no offence was intended. Given that some have mis-interpreted my comments as serious and indicated that legal action may be preceding on the basis of those comments I've deleted them and hope the following comments reflect my feeling of the CASA personnel I've dealt with.

The CASA guys I've met in my time have mostly been OK people to talk to. I acknowledge that this may not be everyone's experience. I have no idea as to their experience levels or competency as that's a matter for CASA to sort out.

I hope that settles that.

Keg, I saw your comments and like most would have got a smile out of it. There was nothing there that would (or even should) have caused offence in your ribbing of them. Once again there are too many princesses in this industry.... :=

Enough out of me....:oh:

AUS
Australian United Socialists
"We take offence to your offence"

It may be time to crack that Keg old fella cause nunc est bibendum :cool:

Don't worry, I had a giggle too, luckily they didn't make you say I [insert name here] humbly apologise :p

We're not happy, 'till you're not happy :ok:

God don't give them another task, they still haven't finished updating the CAR 1988 to 1998 yet. :ugh::ugh::ugh:

'Because flying wasn't meant to be easy' :E

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Hitlers Jetstar Nightmare.

I wonder if he's hired a body guard yet.

More I speak to my J* mates more it seems they are getting angrier and angrier. What an incredibly dangerous work environment old mate is creating with his 43% bonus tactics.

Can't wait to see the OTP figures for the "September to Remember".

In the mean time checkies getting ready to head over to VB no doubt. Keep it up lad.

Why not get the groundcrew/engineers on side? A simple statement to the effect that they will not handle Australian aircraft unless they are flown by Australian pilots on Australian award conditions should concentrate a few minds.

Neptunus Rex said :

Somehow I don't think that would work. They would simply say that we should refuse to fly aircraft that are not turned around by Australian Engineers on Australian conditions. What about turnarounds in foreign ports where Aussie engineers are not available?


NOW MORE IMPORTANTLY :

As Bruce Buchanan is a Qantas employee (Yes, he is NOT employed by JQ, he is employed by QF), does his salary come from "JQ earnings" or is he a parasite off QF's books?

I'll eat my Hat Mr Hat if the Jet* Pilots en masse make Sept one to remember for converting hot air to action.

My prediction is all the bluster will come to naught and BB will be emboldened, as the crew will prove yet again they don't have the unity, courage, conviction, foresight or esprit de corps to follow through.

One final sad reflection; to those few undoubtedly young, courageous but misguided individuals who actually do posess a modicum of gumption and decide to "work to rule" - your brave, foolhardy and ultimately futile protest will be remembered.

Unfortunately though, not by your fellow crew.

"....as the crew will prove yet again they don't have the unity, courage, conviction, foresight or esprit de corps to follow through."

But let me guess, you do?

I see OTP for first flight was about 36% and turn around was about 45%.

oicur12 - you suggest that concern about the importation of dodgy foreign pilots is akin to looking for commies under the bed. I'm not sure how you draw those parallels. Companies dearly love to use the threat or reality of importing pilots from places they come cheaply - however they usually come cheaply for a good reason.

To snigger smugly and infer that grave suspicion of CEO's motives is mere paranoia is sticking your head in the sand. As you will be aware, 20 odd years ago airlines CEO's backed by the Government fast-tracked pilots (some very dodgy) from overseas. This was at a time when there was a relative global shortage of pilots, which demonstrates the issues that some of those individuals had and when there were many available pilots in this country. Those pilots however got big salaries to take jobs here in order to undermine the local pilots cause.

Now we are again faced with either offshoring jobs or using foreign pilots not trained in Australia to fly Australian airline aircraft. But this time their undermining will be in the form of lower salaries. Sure you can't blame those guys as they are probably currently on a relative pittance but should the Australian air traveller have to put up with this?

It is not racist to state that many overseas airlines and pilots have poor standards. Nor is it paranoia to to suggest CEO's will import dodgy pilots to Australia. It has already happened! Now however it is being done to further boost corporate profitability and most importantly, fatten the already enormous CEO wallet.

I know what it will take for the Australian public to be outraged by this plan/possibility but it's a pity it needs to get to that before there is outrage.

Nip this nonsense in the bud now.

And to illustrate this case clearly, an extract from today's Fairfax press:

Your chances of dying in a plane crash?
It depends on where you fly
September 6, 2010 - 10:56AM
Flying in the developing world is 13 times more dangerous than flying in first world countries, according to a new study.

Arnold Barnett, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Sloan School of Management and a researcher on aviation safety, calculated that the odds of dying on a scheduled flight in first world countries such as Canada and Japan are one in 14 million.

But he found that flying in emerging nations such as India and Brazil leads to a one in 2 million chance of death per flight. Lesser developed countries, such as many found in Africa and in Latin America, were found to have a crash rate of one in 800,000.

Barnett, who based his findings on air safety data, said Nigeria had an especially poor safety record.

Professor
Fair go! Give captcloud a break. You must admit the "stick together and fight" thing is just chest beating.

My guess is, captcloud has seen it all before and thus is speaking from experience.

ALR yet another brilliant post. Particularly the last bit.

Quote:

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Your chances of dying in a plane crash?
It depends on where you fly
September 6, 2010 - 10:56AM
Flying in the developing world is 13 times more dangerous than flying in first world countries, according to a new study.

Arnold Barnett, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Sloan School of Management and a researcher on aviation safety, calculated that the odds of dying on a scheduled flight in first world countries such as Canada and Japan are one in 14 million.

But he found that flying in emerging nations such as India and Brazil leads to a one in 2 million chance of death per flight. Lesser developed countries, such as many found in Africa and in Latin America, were found to have a crash rate of one in 800,000.

Barnett, who based his findings on air safety data, said Nigeria had an especially poor safety record.

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But the real question is whether this quoted statistic is built upon only 'pilot facts' or does the data include crappy incompetent two-bit CEO's, senior management, mid-level management, lower-level management, management wannabe's, management footstools.......

And another thing
 

Don't forget the lickspittle safety managers who cower at a CEO'S mention of the key phrases "Downsizing, Economy of scale, Outsourcing and Affordable safety"

They also express fear and unease when they hear the phrase 'LTI', 'OTP', safety before schedule, robust,and 'worlds best practise'.

ALR said "Companies dearly love to use the threat or reality of importing pilots from places they come cheaply"

When has this happened. when has JQ or any airline ever threatened to use dodgy overseas labor?

I fail to see how they are going to get people from developing countries to fly Jetstar aircraft unless they are prepared to increase their training budget by about 10 000% You ain't going to get someone with two hundred hours and english as a second language through Australian style endorsement training where everything is up to you to figure out for yourself. Australian training is designed around people with thousands of hours not 200 and no operational experience.