I guess that's why the put a large sticker on the side of the fuselage by the door at which Qantas customers enter which states "operated by Jetconnect on behalf of Qantas" I'm pretty sure the customers know they are not flying with Qantas mainline. All they care about is their frequent flyer points and on time performance! unfortunately I don't think the general public care who flies their aircraft these days, that's why they are leaving Qantas in droves for better frequency, on time performance on price point with other airlines other than Qantas. Welcome to the world of globalization.

QF pay the bills but they also get the revenue from the ticket sales. Yes it's a 'shell' company but the people who work there are real and just trying to make a living like everyone else.

Yes I have a thought jonny, how bout everyone stop chasing the shiny jet and selling our profession out to the lowest bidder!

These 'functionaries' that offer these term and conditions must know there will always be some sucker that will take it, and they must laugh.

When voz started up, a mate gets in, takes a job for $54k says it's all fine and he is happy for the pay cut, cause he is flying a jet. 6 months later is whinging and complaining about the pay and conditions and promotion chances.

Ask yourself - would you do that if it were nearly any other job? Plumber, mechanic, janitor???? Mates that are in the mining industry are absolutely astonished at what happens in our biz.

Management know the shiny jet syndrome is alive and well and we are the suckers that fall for it all the time.

We are our own worst enemy,and they know it.

Well, no better bunch than the Kiwis to whinge about conditions, after all, they accept the low terms, then whinge about how much the Australians get paid more than them..If the Kiwis actually had the gumption to not scab work then they would have nothing to whinge about..and before some smart alec kiwi says that Australians work at Jetconnect too...spare a thought for thr fact that if Air NZ hadnt drilled the final nail into Ansett, then maybe Australians wouldnt have to have worked for AWOS/Jetconnect...

SDS. Mate I've spent a fair amount of time on here learning who is from where. Believe me when I say its not the Kiwis pissing and moaning. But if it makes you feel better.......

Sam, that's just about the most moronic post I've seen on PPrune this year. It's full of the same old dross that gets dragged up from time to time....a bit like the wife trying to win an argument really.
Aside from that, from where I sit, there are PLENTY of ozzies who would win a gold medal when it comes to having a whinge...you only need to visit a few places beyond your fair shores to see that.
The whole Jetconnect thing stinks I agree, but remember...who is pulling the strings? Is it a kiwi plot to lower your T's & C's? Or is it the shrewd and clever work of a company who clearly has no regard for it's employees?
Other than that, thanks for your comments....and on behalf of I'm sure many Kiwis on here..you can take them and insert them on your person where the sun doesn't shine :mad:

Hehe!! You're a cracka sand dune!! A bloody cracka!! When was the last time on pprune a kiwi was complaining about his T&C's! Especially at Jetconnect!!?? The guys I know are very happy and don't whinge at all. Very good bunch of guys and girls, just get on and do the best possible job for a great company they believe in. The "sham" they work for has been paying them salaries for 10 years now as a Qantas group airline and they have never complained. But I guess it's still a "Sham" hiring company ay, even back when it was running domestic NZ, even when it was pushed out when another "sham" company Jetstar NZ, who pushed them out of domestic to compete with another "sham" labour hire company Pac Blue. Come to think of it, I don't think I've heard any of the kiwis flying for any one of these "sham" outsourcing labour hire companies complaining about T&C's?

There is always the opportunity for Aussies to transfer to these companies, oh that's right, they do! Oh Sand Dune Sam, it's time you took your head out of the sand or where ever it's stuck.


Jesus, management do a fine job don't they.

SDSSpare a thought for another fact. Who built the coffin and put Ansett inside it and drilled most of the nails to start with? I'll give you a hint, pretty well everyone else involved in Aussie aviation at that time, News Corp, Qantas, the Aussie government, CASA etc.

As I've said before Aussies screwing Aussies, it's still happening today with the way Qantas management is treating its staff.

Sand dune sam ... Would that be the pre or post 89 ANSETT your talking about ?

Don't waste your time slamer. Sam doesn't engage in debate. He just sneaks in for a quick kidney punch, and then zips out just as quickly.

Don't take my word for it, just do a search of his previous posts.

I notice in the finding that no Jetconnect pilots supported this claim. Strategically not very smart.

There is no way Qantas would have given this flying to QF mainline pilots if they had lost. They will never give it back now just to spite AIPA .

The worst the Jetconnect crews would achieved is a pay rise and the profession as a whole would have moved forward for once.

Bad move not thought through!!

"There is no way Qantas would have given this flying to mainline pilots if they had lost"

Indeed. And doesn't the same apply to every other part of the Qantas Group? I'm a little confused as to how exactly the AIPA "secure our flying" campaign is actually going to do that.

It's not. The very best it is going to achieve if for some reason AJ changes his mind and agrees to it, is that the Jetstar, EFA,Cobham, Jetconnect pilots will get no worse T & C's than the QF Longhaul EBA.
It does not guarantee one QF pilot a job anywhere.

And that's bad because......???

It seems a strange world where the QF pilots are the ones spending the money, exposing themselves to possible downside reaction by taking industrial action so that pilots in the other entities gain all of the benefits.

Not quite fatmike. No worse than QF conditions if you are crewing a QF flight (number).

or uses a flight number that contains a IATA airline designator assigned to Qantas
or display the word Qantas on its livery
or display the Qantas logo

Bingo! :ok:

Shall we paint the tail purple and put a joey on it. Bingo:ok:

So the ALAEA Fed Security is advising passengers not to travel Qantas due the current industrial climate.

As a robust business, Qantas are fortunate that Jetconnect is operated as a totally separate business, wholly managed & operated in NZ.

Fortunately passengers can continue to book travel directly via Jetconnects website:

www (dot) jetconnect (dot) co (dot) nz

MC