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PammyAnderson 29th Jun 2010 08:30

Borghetti Swoops
 
Virgin chief swoops on Qantas executives

As many have said, I think the old Q board who know everything may regret skipping over the B man.

Apparently a few more in the village have been given there good byes too.

Fliegenmong 29th Jun 2010 10:12

Well who'd have thunk it hey???:rolleyes::hmm:

3 Holer 29th Jun 2010 10:17

Watch those Virgin shares take - off now! ;)

inandout 29th Jun 2010 10:30

Ya right, don't you watch the news. The DD is coming and that unfortunately will slow it's rise. Time once again to take stock.

MrApproach 29th Jun 2010 10:50

I thought the Singapore veto expired this year. Godfrey announced last year that the brands could merge in 2010.

Skystar320 29th Jun 2010 23:42

I have no hope for reporters these days

"DJ shares dropped 0.5 to $0.30"

:ugh::ugh::ugh:

3 Holer 30th Jun 2010 02:45

Give'em time, give'em time. These guys haven't even warmed their corporate seats yet! :D

rescue 1 30th Jun 2010 07:55

Any truth to VA been finished [as a stand alone company]?

Heard been wound into a single VB AOC?

air command 30th Jun 2010 08:48

I think there is some truth in what you are saying rescue 1.
Another very senior executive got the chop today.... well sort of (finishes up in December). He came out this arvo with a statement to staff, that his remaining time will be focussed on integrating V and VB into one airline.
As for the AOC, I wouldn't imagine so.... but JB is turning the place upside down, so anything is possible!

Rudder 30th Jun 2010 09:02

Time to sell the VB shares. If I wanted shares in a legacy airline, which is what JB and his EX QF mates have experience in and will turn VB into, I would have bought QF shares.

I always thought he was the wrong choice and it is just being confirmed.

Sunstar320 30th Jun 2010 09:32

Yeah...?? Or is VA staying

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/...070320c_lg.jpg

rmm 30th Jun 2010 10:01

Borghetti announces new Virgin exec team

Borghetti announces new Virgin exec team
JORDAN CHONG
June 30, 2010 - 7:29PM

AAP

Virgin Blue Holdings Ltd is to bring its loss-making,long-haul offshoot V Australia within the main airline group, under a string of changes announced on Wednesday by chief executive John Borghetti.

He has also given one person responsibility for both network and revenue management under changes to the airline's executive team.

Other changes include the creation of a new group executive for product and guest services and a new group executive for government relations.
Advertisement: Story continues below

The airline group comprises Virgin Blue, Pacific Blue, Polynesian Blue and V Australia.

Under the new structure, Andrew David will be group executive of operations with responsibility for Virgin Blue's Australian operations and V Australia.

The change means V Australia will no longer sit as a separate entity but instead would be integrated within the Virgin Blue group.

The changes were announced to senior managers and staff on Wednesday in a statement by Mr Borghetti.

V Australia, which flies from Australia to South Africa, Thailand, the US and Fiji, commenced operations in March 2009 but is yet to move into profitability.

In February, Virgin Blue's then chief executive Brett Godfrey said he expected V Australia to be profitable by September this year.

But analysts have expressed doubt that V Australia will meet that target, given the airline's stunning profit downgrade last month when it said there had been a rapid deterioration in international and domestic leisure markets.

Liz Savage will be group executive commercial, responsible for sales, marketing, revenue management and network management.

Previously, different people had responsibility for revenue management and network management at the airline group.

The new group executive for product and guest services, Martin Daley, will give customers "a seat at the table" among Virgin Blue's executive ranks, the company says.

Jane McKeon, who was formerly head of government relations at domestic rival Qantas Airways Ltd, will take up the second new position, group executive for government relations

Mr Borghetti, a former Qantas senior executive, has hired a number of former Qantas employees recently as he seeks a larger share of the corporate market and diversify Virgin Blue's revenue base.

"We know we're going to remain a carrier that is focused on the leisure end, but it is going to be a carrier that is providing an alternative to the business traveller and we will be playing at both ends of the spectrum," Mr Borghetti said on June 8.

Virgin Blue stock closed down one cent, or 3.28 per cent, at 29.5 cents.

The airline also said passenger numbers across the network, but excluding Polynesian Blue, rose by 4.6 per cent in May compared with a year ago.

The number of international passengers was up 13.3 per cent, while domestic passengers rose 3.3 per cent.

© 2010 AAP

noip 30th Jun 2010 11:02

Rudder,

Sorry ... "Legacy Airline" is a marketing term invented to make "Low Cost Carriers" look good. Nothing more, Nothing less. There is nothing "Old" or "Progressive" about either.

Full Service, and Low Cost carriers cater to different markets.

I suspect JB is about to make the QF board rue the day they passed him over.

N

PPRuNeUser0198 30th Jun 2010 11:15

I have a question; where is JB going to raise all this capital to invest in end-to-end product in-order to compete with Qantas? I'm not sure on their cash position and I'd certainly challenge their ability to meet cost of capital aka service their debt (if there is any lenders prepared to give) the millions they're going to need to re-vamp their product? I'm not sure too many investors will be willing to fund considering their return on investment is haemorrhaging.

I'm not sure in DJ's investment grade but I would assume it's not top tier...

ANstar 30th Jun 2010 16:22

So does this mean Swift is gone/going too?

Sand dune Sam 30th Jun 2010 23:00

T-VASI, I wouldnt be too concerned, I'm sure between Branson and the executive team the capital will be available. The other thing which seems to be overlooked is VB's cost base being lower than QF's by about 20%.

To me, if VB offer a business class at a cost of 20% less than QF's business class, then it should be a product capable of a descent yeild for VB.

Rudder 30th Jun 2010 23:41

Noip,

Sorry... Beg to differ.. it has nothing to do with marketing. It has to do with background and the competitive environment they came out of. QANTAS came out of a very effective two airline environment as a full service operator. It is a legacy operator. And JB was there a very long time.

Even QANTAS realised they couldn't change and compete as themselves effectively and hence Jetstar with a very different service offering and culture. The two don't mix. QANTAS is high cost and will tell you that they are high quality although "personally" I think VB has it all over them.

I still stand by the fact that these people come out of a completely different service offering and culture and it is time to sell the shares.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

chockchucker 30th Jun 2010 23:42


if VB offer a business class at a cost of 20% less than QF's business class, then it should be a product capable of a descent yeild for VB

I think that's a very big IF. Assuming they want to offer a equal or better overall product. If they wish to chase the top end of town, Virgin will have to invest in infrastucture to do so. Thus adding to their cost base.

KRUSTY 34 1st Jul 2010 00:25

And, I'm afraid to say they may have to rid themselves of all their loss making entities. :sad:

Taildragger67 1st Jul 2010 06:06

Sunstar320,

That all-red get-up suits 737s and E-jets, but on a 773...

:yuk:

Maybe 'Virgin Pacific' might be a better tie-in name-wise with 'Virgin Atlantic' and also indicate that ops are widespread around the Pacific...

Trimmed_Flaps 1st Jul 2010 07:02

History dictates that normally following a change of CEO there will be a blood bath amongst the middle management.

Flaps

inandout 1st Jul 2010 07:44

Forget the red they are going WHITE and new name is :mad:

Mr. Hat 1st Jul 2010 10:55

white, gee thats original. Come on surely they'll do something that stands out. Look around the world there are some great liveries. LAN Chile looks pretty cool.

Mach2point7 1st Jul 2010 11:52

air command

is the "very senior executive" S Swift ?

6100 1st Jul 2010 12:05

No,

But the Fin Review reported Swift as "reviewing his options".

My reading of that is that Swift is "clearing his desk"

The senior executive mentioned is Andrew David. He has already written his obituary to the troops, so you can take that one to the bank. SS is unconfirmed at this stage, but the fat lady is clearing her throat.

maccaj73 1st Jul 2010 16:04

How about "Virgin Australia" to combine all the carriers into one!

VX "Virgin America" color scheme in the states looks great! (Excellent airline aswell, DJ could learn alot from them!)

dizzylizzy 2nd Jul 2010 03:52

Having experienced the VX product in 'First Class', I must say the customer experience was great from checkin through to the lounge, then onboard. Certainly made 'every moment count'.

Though it was noted for lounge use it was $30USD on top of the ticket price & was shared with Virgin Atlantic.

campdoag 2nd Jul 2010 04:30

new uniform???
 
Has anyone seen the new uniform yet???

Bright red tie I heard......

GAFA 2nd Jul 2010 06:12

Colours have been worked out and no red tie.

Dixons-son 2nd Jul 2010 07:22

???????
 
And what would they be?

SilverSleuth 2nd Jul 2010 07:26


GAFA wrote: colours have been worked out and no red tie.
Colours have NOT been selected at all. There are about 5 colour proposals at present which will be narrowed down and shown to crew for input/opinion in months to come before a decision is made. Don't expect to see anything till feb/march next year.

The Green Goblin 2nd Jul 2010 07:30

Would be good to get a cap :ok:

Mr. Hat 2nd Jul 2010 07:53

Lot of talk about rationalising routes etc. Will PB drivers keep their jobs?

Going Boeing 2nd Jul 2010 08:48


Would be good to get a cap
As long as there is a handle attached to make it easier to carry. :)

neville_nobody 2nd Jul 2010 13:50


VX "Virgin America" color scheme in the states looks great! (Excellent airline aswell, DJ could learn alot from them!)
Yeah great to fly on, not so sure you want to work there.

If they align the international products with Atlantic and the domestic product with Virgin America I think you will have a very good international global airline.

Cypher 2nd Jul 2010 17:24


Will PB drivers keep their jobs?
Why wouldnt they keep their jobs?!

Make VB take on Qantas.. keep PB against Jet*..
Two can play at the two companies game....

Cactusjack 2nd Jul 2010 23:19


So does this mean Swift is gone/going too?
Yep, gooooooooooone. Not yet official though. (this is only rumour of course).

The 'blood letting' is not yet finished and I will have more 'rumours' to report in the upcoming weeks.Suffice to say is that JB is finally putting the axe through Brett's boys club who have steadily steered the place into a shipwreck. There are still a number of cockroaches scurrying around looking to hide in the cracks and shadows however John and his can of Moretein are coming,so watch out parasites !!

VBPCGUY 3rd Jul 2010 00:51

I love your posts CJ:ok:

1a sound asleep 3rd Jul 2010 01:00

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GAFA 3rd Jul 2010 02:08

SilverSleuth,

The Ejet pilots were given an update from their manager 2 weeks ago. In the update the 4 colours have been chosen and they are working on the final design and were asking for crew imput on the design not colours. The update also included the changes to crew meals (and cabin meals).

The word from those that have had a meeting with JB is no manager's job is safe.


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