Your are exactly on the money Sheikh.

It will be game on, and the game won't be let's see how we (VB) can screw the V pilots, it will be how do we ensure the V pilots are bought up to the VB payscale. Because if the V guys are integrated into VB, and stay on the current V payscale, where do you think the next VB eba will be played?

Really? Better let the EMB drivers know that one.;)

Most of my posts are cynical and tongue in cheek. :ugh:

:)

6100 you really are sniffing the mushrooms aren't you.
"VA will be doing wide body on separate conditions but be part of VB." ???? Keep dreaming...
You really haven't got a clue have you. And as far as VA effecting any eba vote. I'm sure the almost 1000 drivers at VB aren't too concerned.
I think you and all VA people should be praying they give you a go at the bottom of the VB start dates. Considering you are on contracts that would be good thing for VA drivers.
As already said VA will be under review to make a profit or shut down. May be 12 months 18 whatever. Fiji and phuket will be dropped very soon. There will no more 777s, very little upgrades. if or when it does get combined don't expect any VA driver to be upgraded ahead of any VB driver. JB is a big believer of seniority. (oh and once again VA is 100% VB owned) !!
I am not against the company bringing on the VA drivers under the Vb pilot group however don't be naive. your start date will be blended into that of the VB pilot group as it should.
As far as conditions go that will be decided in the forthcoming EBA. But is pretty obvious it will ALL be under the one pilot group.

Whats the feeling on PB and the current management merger????

I don't know whether it was or not but I assume the EMB's t and c were voted for in the EBA. On the face of it they should be paid exactly the same as the 737 fellows unless there was some understanding or coercion attached to the voting.
You should have used the cynical smiley rather than the smilie smilie then V sheikh.

PBN wrote: Whats the feeling on PB and the current management merger????

Not much at all been said about PB. Like VA and VB, PB is also under review.
Hopefully they will also become part of the VB flt ops also but nothing been said so far. JB has publicly said he wants to get rid of duplication and consolidate. And there is a complete duplication of everything in PB.
PB will be apart of re branding though, which is a good thing. The rest is wait and see.

Are you the most petty bunch of tossers on the planet, or what! Openly stating you are keeping a hit list of CRFO's just because they didn't pay hommage to the mighty VB skygod whilst disembarking.

Gimme a break! Surely that was sarcasm!

Having said that, having paxed on probably a hundred VB flights, I don't ever recall having seen one of the skygods venture out of his cave at the front, let alone lower himself to interact with a passenger, or worse, a "two striper"

Vorsicht and others...

I work for VB, and I have NOT seen a 'target list' for Cruise FO's, so I think that bit is porky pies..

As far as leaving my cave (as you put it), our Ops Manual states that I am only allowed to leave the cave on certain circumstances...ie..having a slash.....NOT to hold babies and shake hands with the passengers. Sorry to disappoint you, buddy.....let me know when you're on my flight next time, and I send a special cherio to you in my PA....

grow up ladies....we always seem to be crawling over each other to get to the top of this heap, only to find that it's a race to the bottom.....:ugh:

Far as I know, there is only one personfrom VA who has earned a No Jump seat policy with some of the boys. Rightly earned too, I might add. However, word is he has now secured a job with management at VB. Interesting!

PM, that one is still in the rumour basket!

It will pose a few noses out of joint if in fact it isn't a rumour.... So will the addition of at least 3 outsiders to the LOM Jobs. Direct Entry Captains, no less. Standby for more on that one...:hmm:. What will the union do this time?:rolleyes:

Heard today Porch', rumour of course, that at the current level of expenditure by VB to keep VA going, if VA does not turn a profit, then VB will exhaust their reserves within 3 years!

I suspect (and quite probably sooner than 3 years), that what the union think may sadly, become academic. :sad:

Rumour? JB has been quoted as saying that 3 years would've seen the company out. Not necessarily based on just VA's lack of contribution to the bottom line, but an overall picture based on the competition, where we stand as an airline, the loss making areas etc. His opinion only, however, one would be silly not to respect his judgement. As a result, changes aplenty, first with upper/middle management, and more recently, flight ops. Look for more changes to who does what work around the place too, as the word is PB WILL be getting ALL the international work besides VA's. VA makes money to LA. It loses it and more by going to Phuket and Fiji, don't know about Seth Effrica. PB will be the "Jetstar" of VB, mark my words.

Exactly P.m
 

Finally VBs future summed up in one paragraph:ok::D

Good summation PM. Once all the VB pilots (& CC) realise this they will follow more closely the proceedings of AIPA's court case re Jit Connect pilot salaries. If AIPA win this the flow-on for all pilots and CC will be very significant. Qantas realise the implications which is why they attempted an ambush of AIPA's lawyers by deploying its significant resources including a Senior Counsel, a Managing Partner of its go-to Industrial Relations law firm Freehills, its Industrial Relations consultant from Oldmeadow Consulting and a senior Qantas Industrial Relations practitioner to a mere directions hearing - a routine event that is typically used to program future dates for the submission of evidence. The fact that they would send such a "heavy" legal team to a directions hearing is a strong indication that they don't like the serious consequences if they lose this case.

I'm sure that VIPA are being kept informed by AIPA about the progress of the case.

"VIPA being kept informed by AIPA"? If VIPA and AIPA have intimate relations it's still called onanism.

Sorry, I honestly dont keep track of these things, has VIPA replaced the AFAP at VB?

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up:ok:

Well VIPA would like to think so, but basically we now have two Associations that will be sitting down at the next round of EBA negotiations (VIPA and AFAP). No one really knows how this will play out at the moment. With some possibly interesting fleet developments coming up (E170s out, some V Aus routes and 190s with a bit of a question mark for the long term) as well as an operational change with regard to V Aus and PB (coming under the one Flight Ops Dept in VB) and possibly a widebody in the 767 / A330 class I predict a full on sh1t fight bro!

Turds will be flying from the Ejet end, the V Aus (ie the Emirati) side, the Pacbro team, the VB home crew (with 2 factions - VIPA and the Feds p1ssing from each of their corners), it's gunna be circus of the century folks. Roll up, roll up - you aint seen nuthin yet!!!:8

love your work slice !!
With V Aus being pulled back into the fold, can't imagine the Emirati would be very happy. Things are about to get VERY interesting indeed.