QLink to Port Lincoln
V2.0 coming to you Feb 2010.
I wonder if they learnt from their mistakes last time? :ugh: |
Boost for Adel-Pt Lincoln air services
By Tim Jeanes I wonder if the crews who moved last time will be as keen the second time around. |
I wonder how the Q400 will be rotated? A once weekly PLO-MEL flight perhaps?
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ML-AD four days a week to rotate crews and planes.
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MEL-ADL on a Q400... I can see some unsuspecting punters being very happy about that one!!
Even though it's a bit further to go, I thought a small capacity increase on ADL-CBR would be an option - a middle of the day Q400 a few times a week would seem to be a perfect fit! |
MEL-ADL yes not a wise option ... good chance to get creative like an additional ADL-CBR service or try direct PLO-MEL or PLO-MEL via KGC or MGB
I wonder what their arrival procedures will be like (due to no security at PLO) arrive at gate 50 have to screen 74 pax on arrival then walk up stairs then from gate 50 to exit then downstairs again to collect luggage ... Compared to Rex arrive hop on a 2min bus ride a then a few steps to your carousel |
wonder what their arrival procedures will be like (due to no security at PLO) arrive at gate 50 have to screen 74 pax on arrival then walk up stairs then from gate 50 to exit then downstairs again to collect luggage ... Compared to Rex arrive hop on a 2min bus ride a then a few steps to your carousel |
Bay 50 arrivals are not screened at Adelaide
Fritzandsauce, the bay 50 arrivals have not had to be screened for a number of months. This includes Alliance, National Jet and Sharp Airlines passengers. There was a new walkway installed so that the pax exit straight into the Qantas valet car park. They would have their bags a lot quicker than Rex pax if they were to arrive to the 50 bays as they have a bus trip all the way around the terminal.
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Thanks wannabe been a while since I have been down to ADL :ok:
If thats the case they sure will give Rex a fun for their money! |
VB should have jumped on this route before QFlink with an E170, three airlines into PLO is over kill so VB have missed that boat, aside from MGB their isnt much regioanl routes in SA worth a second airline competing on, WYA certianly isnt worth it.
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Couldn't get an E170 into either MTG or PLC given the current runway dimensions. That would require significant runway works.
FMC. |
QantasLink goes to South Australia
Item by australianaviation.com.au on December 8, 2009 1:35 pm The new service will see QantasLink establish a crew base in Adelaide, which could allow the Qantas subsidiary to launch more routes in South Australia |
From the Qantas Media Release
QantasLink’s expansion into South Australia will bring with it added job opportunities, with the airline opening a cabin crew base in Adelaide to support the growth of any additional services or routes in South Australia. |
I wonder if they learnt from their mistakes last time? |
Maybe its revenge for Rex moving in to Nth QLD :}
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From a second-hand source - apparently the local paper (Advertiser) is advertising today for cabin crew positions for the ADL base.
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From a first hand source, thats correct
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a good thing...
Look as far as I can see it's a fantastic thing to happen, so long as it's economically viable and they 'do it right' this time - it will mean more jobs and a greater option of flights. Not to mention the codesharing capability with QF and benefits of frequent flier points etc etc... I think SA is well overdue for Qlink to come in and take it's place.
And the word getting around the traps in SA? Alliance, Rex, Sharp airlines, national jet - if Qlink sets up a firm base - and if they're paying more - expect your employees resume's to be handed over to the other side of the fence. Because they've come to the party with payscales. :ok: |
Slightly off-topic but how are Sharp going on their trial Adelaide-Portland-Avalon service?
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Does anyone know if the Apron area at Port Lincoln will be able to support the size of the Q400 aircraft? It looks very tight when there are 2 SAAB's parked there.
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apacau - service is doing well it will become a permanent thing in 2010
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Mmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!
Looks like there is he standard, me no think and see what floats approach coming on. The Masters of the universe in the temple of solitude have gone to the dogs.:ugh::ugh: The Q400 is a great aircraft, but there are reliability concerns, and there is also the question of pavement concessions that will be required, for if we are tearing up CB PLQ will look like the sea wall near the PLQ international grain handling facility faster than you can say, QFL has canceled a flight again due to there being only one aircraft on the route.:D:D:D But then again, since there is a prolific influx of check and training captains on to the fleet, there is sure going to be an enough expertise in the operation of the aircraft over the route! Even better, they sent TQF down there last time, so ..... QOF should go down this time, Foxtrot by name, Foxtrot by nature.:E:*:E #42 your steak is ready, and I hope you like it late and well done. |
Rex to take QantasLink to ACCC
Regional Express Holdings Ltd (Rex) has complained to the competition watchdog about the behaviour of a Qantas carrier servicing a route in North Queensland. Regional carrier Rex has called on the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) to investigate QantasLink's pricing practices on the Townsville to Mackay route in North Queensland. Rex announced in August that it would begin commercial air services between Townsville and Mackay from October 1 this year. Rex general manager for network strategy and sales Warwick Lodge said QantasLink immediately responded by dropping its entry level fare by 35 per cent to $99 and "dumping an additional 40,000 annual seats on the route". Mr Lodge said QantasLink's equivalent fares on the Mackay to Rockhampton route, where there was no alternative carrier, "remained at $135 and were in fact recently increased to $140". "Rex is not afraid of fair competition and we have been competing successfully with QantasLink for the past seven years," Mr Lodge said in a statement on Monday. "However, we do not have the deep pockets of Qantas and we cannot continue haemorrhaging on a route indefinitely." "Very sadly, the true loser will be the consumer if Rex withdraws." Rex operates eight flights a day between Townsville and Mackay. Comment was being sought from Qantas Airways Ltd, the owner of QantasLink. At 1300 AEDT on Monday, Rex shares were down 0.5 cents to $1.215, while Qantas was up eight cents at $2.66. © 2009 AAP Rex to take QantasLink to ACCC |
Hypocrties.
Fu**ing HYPOCRITES! I have family and friends in Lincoln and have frequently travelled that route for years. Does anyone remember the prices ~3 years ago when Rex and Qantas link were competing on that route? $40-50. Does anyone remember the prices once QLink pulled out? What about the Adelaide-Kingscote route - does anybody remember Rex prices in the final months competing against Air South? Does anybody no what they are now that they have that route to themselves? Yes, they went back up. I can assure you that there has been a growing amount of dissent amongst Port Lincoln residents over the recent years over Rex's perceived greed/arrogance. QLink - I beg of you - bleed this foreign company. BLEED THEM DRY. |
Any airline reglarless of if its Rex, Qantas, Australain owned or foreign owned is always going to get as much money as possible when the sole operator of a route
and enough said this is about the Red rat going to Lincoln and nothing to do with the NQ competition issues |
Bollocks
Three and a half years ago, when REX tried its aborted entrance into the South QLD routes, Qlink come up with a reasonable ADL-PLO schedule, and a half baked ADL-KGC one. After the aborted effort of REX in QLD ( mainly due to lack of crews), Qlink pulled out of SA, and even despite their best efforts of having a tired old DHC-8, without back-up, they were doing OK Now, REX has stirred the pot in QLD again, and Qlink is at it again in SA Isn’t coincidence amazing. Hey GearUpFlapUpBeatUp Those numbers sound like the late 80s when there were piston twins operating (Malcolm C and 4 eyes), with the exception of that knew it all WA mob in 1900s, who used to drop $25.00 specials, all the time, depleting their own market, and then going belly up, owing all and sundry sh!t loads |
and enough said this is about the Red rat going to Lincoln and nothing to do with the NQ competition issues Skurgler is probably right - it must be a coincidence. :D Very sadly, the true loser will be the consumer if Rex withdraws. It is competition. BLEED. |
ASA aka Emu aka Regional Link, i.e. Air North, knew it all, no homework, got their ar$es kicked.
They are great in their own patch but RPT: Rule one, do your homework Rule two, refer rule one p.s $100.00 for an advance purchase seat where Airport Owner, AirServices Aust etc probably consume half of it is hardly Raping the market, I think that comment is a bit harsh |
There are some short memories around.
What did O'Conners do out of Mount Gambier when Ansett fell over and took Kendall out with them, you guessed it, at the behest of Qantas up went the fares, enormously. What happened when O'Conners went belly up, Rex didnt raise the fares to rip the locals off, the only problem was there was now more people vying for the same number of seats and consequently the cheap seats went weeks ahead instead of just days ahead and can be seen by the locals as dearer fares. All airlines take some advantage when they can but some seem to be more willing to do it than others but some do think locally and long term. Aaaah the good old days in SA, clapped out old pipers to F27's and even Citations for a while (how many of you remember that ?) and the flock to Kingscote twice daily. Seems like nothing much has changed down that way, just the planes and timetables, still a great place for a stopover though. |
Hypocrties. Fu**ing HYPOCRITES! I have family and friends in Lincoln and have frequently travelled that route for years. Does anyone remember the prices ~3 years ago when Rex and Qantas link were competing on that route? $40-50. In a perfect world we would all be able to fly in 400 seat jumbo jets with a choice of 8 flights a day to a town of 14000 people taking only 30 mins with full catering, always on time and all provided by young single sexy cabin crew on 100 grand a year for $40 bucks a POP! Now flash foward to the year two thousand and reality and the cold hard light of day reveals to any half intelligent bogan that $40 dollar fares across the board are not the normal and to think so just highlights you as a fool. Enough said :yuk: |
What did O'Conners do out of Mount Gambier when Ansett fell over and took Kendall out with them, you guessed it, at the behest of Qantas up went the fares, enormously. All airlines take some advantage when they can but some seem to be more willing to do it than others but some do think locally and long term. |
What happens on arrival in to Melbourne for Qantaslink flights? Do they bypass the terminal or be security screened then walk through the terminal? If they are screened on arrival will they need to be screened arriving from Adelaide on the Q400?
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F&S
What happens on arrival in to Melbourne for Qantaslink flights? Do they bypass the terminal or be security screened then walk through the terminal? If from Devonport or Mildura, then they get screened on arrival, prior to going into the terminal. DIVOSH! |
So then whats the go when an 'aircraft' does an unscreened sector and flows on to another screened sector? Isn't that a security risk? Couldn't someone sneak and hide a prohibited item on the unscreened sector (PLOADL) then grab it on the on flowing screened sector (ADLMEL) and on arrival walk into the the secure area and board a 737 or bigger somewhere else with the item?
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Well, yes...
F&S
Yes, your scenario is possible. We've had occasional amusing "episodes" where passengers being screened into Tulla have had items confiscated. Had they secreted said items in the aircraft.....well... Your potential scenario is possibly one of the reasons that the recent white paper has recommended changing pre-flight screening for pax to include flights on turboprop a/c with a max T/O weight of 20T (which wont include either the Q300 or Saabs, btw). But there are plenty of other ways someone can get prohibited items inside a passenger terminal. Cheers, DIVOSH! |
F&S
They could do that, but they would have to know that the aircraft they where travelling on for the second sector was the same as the first. Also cabin crew and ground staff perform a check of the cabin after each flight anyway….. It would look a bit dodgy if you where trying to hide something in flight. |
Are crews overnighting in Lincoln?
I was just booking my flights for February and noticed that the last Adelaide to Pt Lincoln of the day arrives at 20:15. The next return to Adelaide is not until the next morning at 06:45. The earliest flight into Lincoln from Adelaide doesn't arrive until 07:25. eg: (The below is what I found to be the most common schedule) QF2266 PLC 06:45 to PAD 07:25 QF2267 PAD 07:55 to PLC 08:40 QF2268 PLC 09:05 to PAD 09:45 QF2273 PAD 17:10 to PLC 17:55 QF2274 PLC 18:20 to PAD 19:00 QF2275 PAD 19:30 to PLC 20:15 Or is the Q400 running to and from somewhere else in the early morning and evening? Anybody in the know? Nav. |
AFAIK, crews will o/night in Lincoln on weeknights, and o/night in ADL on Saturday night only.
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I cant see 74 Port Lincolners getting up at 0645 every weekday morning to fly to Adelaide ... Though I do aggree this is the perfect time for Qlink to enter into Port Lincoln because if Rex increase their frequency and drop fares they won't have a leg to stand on with their complaint to the ACCC regards MKY/TSV
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I have never flown REX but I have always wondered about their reiability. Every day I read the Adelaide Advertiser and browse through the flight listings for the day, just out of interest. Always above the REX listing it states that you should call the airline to check if your flight is departing on time/rescheduled due to operational reasons (something along those lines). How often do they reschedule/cancel? It comes accross as not a reliable airline.
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