Yes they should. 4 years is enough for Germany. I left with 2 years.

Start

These people actually want you to work for them.

Now Your talking Owen
 

Smartest post yet !!

Once you gain all the necessary paperwork, then go back to your Doctor and have a 'breakdown' in the surgery. Its worth shedding a few tears to gain stress leave.3 Months is a good strating point. Make sure you also advise the Doctor that you are being harrassed,coerced,pressured and treated unfairly !
It doesnt finish there. Time to visit the best Lawyer you can find, as a group of course, and launch a case against the buffoons,beancounters and incompetent footstools putting Controllers and the Publlics lives at risk..........

Sydney is expensive. Less people are going to work there if they can earn the same money elsewhere.

Made the news again
 

Airservices, staff on collision course | The Australian

The article is more "pro-controllers" at least (despite the claims at the end that you've got enough controllers).

DIVOSH!

Just over 10 years ago we had 2 (two) people in the PR department. See Annnual Reports , we now have @ 50 in Corporate Relations.
We have around 30 Approach controllers in Sydney.
More spin doctors than SY approach controllers.
You know it makes sense!

Airlines carry staff on reserve, ASA don't. Why? Because we don't have them and never have. ASA and its predecessors have always relied on controllers giving up THEIR rostered days off (RDOs) to fill holes . These holes used to be due to illness. Increasingly over the last few years, rosters are written with the holes already in them due to lack of staff.

The Sunday in question was an occurence when ASA were unable to fill the holes. There would have been alot more days like these, if controllers weren't continually giving up THEIR DAYS OFF to cover for a chronic lack of workforce planning.

What does ASA do when the 'holes in the cheese line up'.

You must get some value out of the huge PR machine that they have created over the years,so they insinuate that it was somehow the fault of the controllers.

ASA don't have enough controllers, they can spin it anyway they like (and they do) but the fact remains.

I'd find it very stressful being told planned holidays with my family had just been cancelled because the company I worked for was incompetent.
So stressful I might see a doctor about it.... right now as it would already being affecting me.
I'll do as many holding patterns as it takes for you guys to stick it to ASA for this method they are employing. It shows the thought patterns of the @##$%^ running ASA.
A Labor party should be appalled at this intimidation.

MEMO TO STAFF:

The floggings will continue until morale improves!:}

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Should be funny....but far too true

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ozbiggles: I'd fined it very stressful being told planned holidays with my family had just been cancelled because the company I worked for was incompetent.

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It's not just the stress of losing a much needed break from shiftwork, imagine the stress (whether anger or disappointment) from the family. Regardless of whether they kick and scream with anger/frustration or just sadly try to say "that's ok Mum/Dad" it's still a horrible thing to have to go home to tell your partner/kids (ask the Willy controllers who had their Christmas leave cancelled with only days' notice last year). I don't have stats in front of me, but, anecdotally, the divorce/relationship breakdown rate for ASA and RAAF ATCs seems huge. Way above the 50% nat average.

And as Le Pinguoin pointed out - at the end of the 3 months what will have changed? The only guarantee is that there will be a more fatigued work force and a huge leave debt on their cards - which they still will have difficulty taking! :ugh:

Last Christmas (literally, even on Christmas Eve) RAAFies were getting phone calls left, right and centre saying "come to Syd - your choice of TWR or APP, just need you in Syd ASAP" - some had already been offered enroute short courses (one I know of was due to start on Jan 6 and on Dec 24 they're calling not once, but 5, say again 5 times to push SYD.

Some, who hadn't even been made an offer yet (which meant, of course, that they hadn't resigned) received the same SYD offer in the week leading up to Christmas - even though it would have been impossible to resign over the reduced activity period with 13 days notice!

So it was obvious that they were desperate to recruit experienced ATCOs to Syd. Lots of pressure from recruiting - but no sweetner of course! :ugh: Laws of supply and demand ASA - make a better offer, whether it's more money, extra leave (not that you'd get to take it), housing allowance, free lap dances in the crew room whatever!

Irony??
 

Spotted this on seek.com, posted today;

SEEK jobs database and employment advice

Not only but also;

SEEK jobs database and employment advice

Does this mean someone has awoken from their slumber?

I am not involved in your side of the industry, but I certainly support your attempts for fairer rostering, increased staffing, etc, etc. Your work is just a tad important!! I want a controller who is, a) professional and, b) awake when I fly.

And as for sitting in holding patterns ad-nauseum, I hope Virgin can also help crack the whip to those at ASA in regard to the true $$ cost and disruption these shortages cause to the airlines and travelling public.

We all deserve better!

Nope this means that rosters are about to be centralised, and taken out of the hands of the front line staff that currently create them... This will provide countless efficiencies of course and solve the staffing crisis; it will further prove that Oz ATC is way 'overstaffed' and inefficient rostering is the root cause...

10 to 1 they won't want to deal with those smelly controllers & will just want to present their solution, take it or leave it.

Looks like they have come up with another cunning plan...




Sadly just as relevant today as it was last year and the year before and the year before that.

Strong rumour has it that RL's 'request' to be tranferred to Perth has been fast-tracked, and that the new Sydney manager will be expedited from the UK - starting within weeks. That will be interesting - UK manager versus entrenched Sydney controllers!

does anyone really believe that the situation
A) was created by the immediate manger
OR
B) can be solved by aforemention manager??


As I've been saying for ages - it's all about the decreasing number of ATC's and the increasing reliance on overtime - AsA needs to fix one of these problems, and preferably BOTH.

If its not one thing its another!

ACARS mode: S Aircraft reg: .VH-VWU
Message label: 1L Block id: 1 Msg. no: M09A
Flight id: JQ0420
Message content:-
JQ420 91 MIN DELAYDUE STORMS SYDNEY.
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got mate said b737 from nz QF went to wlm due turb and also qf 737 to cfs due CBS

Let's stay on topic - storms are hardly ATC management's fault! There'll be more news following tomorrow's union meeting.

Although it was nice to see the $$$$NOC helping out our customers by forcing them into bad weather instead of coordinating release of Nowra airspace for diversions.

LOL - as the original poster I can assure you I had no knowledge of the cause of the original delays when I posted the thread, so "ATC management" was certainly not the topic of the thread, although it may have developed along those lines.

I ill of course be interested to hear developments along those lines as well though :)

Peter, to my knowledge there is no where to go to find out why there are delays. Usually, it will be staff shortages, weather, or emergency traffic. This forum is probably the place to ask. As you've seen, on the day in question, it was staff. Something which is happening far too often in this country.

Not only is AsA struggling to get controllers through the door, it has failed to appropriately resource and prioritise its training. In my opinion the training is a game of 'come on, we dare you get through it' cleverly disguised as adult training. SoAsA may well have an excess of controllers (which I doubt) but they sure as goodness are not endorsed appropriately to actually work. The inefficiences of the organisation are astounding.

When you refer to the Nowra airspace, do you actually mean R420, or R453 & R495 ?

My point being that R420 is controlled by Nowra ATC and diversions are never a problem but R453 & R495 (East Aus. Exercise Area) are owned and controlled by Maritime HQ in Sydney (Navy) and not by Nowra ATC.