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I said u need to take it within 8 hours before now the facts says within a 48 hours window, so how is that killing patients? You actually have a better start by taking it within 8 hours even though u have another 40 hours to suffer before taking Relenza.
Whether I hate Telstra or Qantas or Coles or K mart had no relevance here. If you ask around, you'd find most people hate Commonwealth bank also. so why is Qantas suddenly so precious? when so many other companies are also hated. |
Its not an academic journal
Amelia, we are going to have to disagree.
However, last time I looked PPRuNE, posts were not required to meet the gold standard for academic peer review journals. Any reasonable person using the links I provided would, with two mouse clicks been able to test the veracity of statements contained within those articles with a link to the authoritative source - the very same ones you mention. Given the nature of the other links posted on this topic from mainstream media, I would consider the wikipedia article to of a far higher standard. You are correct, if I was making a board submission to a business or a writing an article for peer review, I would not reference wikipedia directly, however, I may well reference the same authoritative sources wikipedia does. |
the thing to remember about this Swine flu is that it cannot be contained, it can only be managed to a certain degree. Then it's sit and watch, you can only do so much but you cannot contain it.
We can't contain outbreak, scientists warn | The Australian There is no denying this new development on top of GFC will definitely hurt Airlines, toursim and hospitality, this is facts. but is is boom time for pharmaceutical companies again that is facts. You may defend you employer (despite majority front line staff being treated with no respect, some even with contempt by the same employer they defend) but you cannot change the course of this virus development and what business it will hit most: traveling and tourism. Swine flu spreads economic shivers |
It is wrong to state innaccurate facts regarding medicine, lesser informed people may get the wrong impression and may end up not getting the right treatment. Granted it probably will not kill many with this presentation, but as a medical professional you would be surprised how many people do die as a result of listening to incorrect "information"
There is a big difference between But it must be consumed within 8 hours of infection, not when symptoms appear. upto 48 hours from initial symptoms. And yes, your dislike of Qantas is relevant here. You have posted the same :mad: on all the swine flu threads on pprune. |
Kangaroos loose in the top paddock.........
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It is wrong to state innaccurate facts regarding medicine, lesser informed people may get the wrong impression and may end up not getting the right treatment. Granted it probably will not kill many with this presentation, but as a medical professional you would be surprised how many people do die as a result of listening to incorrect "information" And again, whether I hate James Hardie or Bonds or Qantas or lump them all in the same basket is really no one's business nor relevant in the discussion of Pig flu. Lots of people hates John Howard and go on to live very normal lives, and John Howard himself too lead a very happy life. So likewise you can hate Qantas and still go on to have a normal productive life and Qantas will still not missed a thing. |
I think you are right ditch.
river, you have been shown up for what you are.........Im done trying to get through to you. One for the ignore list....... |
thankfully I have a choice , although the choices are limited in this anti competitive domestic flight environment. because I have a choice, I doubt we would ever meet up.:ok:
Small and narrow minded people who have the urge to put everyone in a box that fits can never ever go very far in life. |
Gentlemen...
I think it's obvious here that someone is showing immediate signs of contracting the deadly swine flu... The first signs are an almost undeviating and monotonous dislike of a particular entity without any rational or at least apparent justification ... The second sign is a consistent and an irritating inability to be able to post without correct grammar and spelling..... The latin medical term for this swine flu is .... Kangaroo looseium in topos paddocks horribilus The only known medical treament is to ignore it and eventually it will disappear.... |
The only known medical treament is to ignore it and eventually it will disappear.... |
Thank you!
Oh thank you mods, this is music to my ears! Whilst all appreciate healthy debate (pardon the pun in the current topic), the postings(rantings) of said banned person made some previously banned topics look intelligent! Now back to the topic please!:ok:
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I have just finshed reading a book called Blood Lines by NZ author Michael Green. Basic storyline is that a pandemic strikes killing everyone in the world except the members of one particular family in NZ who, realising that they need to increase their gene pool, embark on a journey to England by yacht to search for any surviving relatives. Rather good read actually and if he was planning a sequel, now would be the time to cash in..... big time. :)
Seriously though, given the media hype beginning to take place, how long before the travelling public start getting jittery and wanting face masks etc onboard, remember the fiasco during SARS trying to stock all aircraft with hundreds of them? |
As my Doctor
pointed out during SARS there was a couple of hundred which sadely died , but there was a potentail pool of 1 1/2 billion people in the region. :ouch:
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Iriver gone?!? Its a bit sad in a way as it was starting to be a bit of fun, trolling the troll.
Anyway, this is the last thing the airlines need and I lay the blame squarely at the feet of a slathering media. They just can't help themselves. Watch for the Vox Pops on the 6pm news tonight done to poor unaware passengers as they arrived in Sydney this morning. Bunch of vultures who do far more harm than good!:mad: (the media, not the passengers....) |
Capt Kremin...
I could not agree more about the media....They do not care about the accuracy of their reporting only the sensationalism... This is a generalisation but it seems as though there are few sincere journo's out there. Not only are they responsible for feeding the panic merchants about the swine flu out break but the current economic mess as well... How many people die on the roads around the world every day but if one person is killed in an aircraft accident it will be in the headlines for days... |
I was speaking to one of my closest friends yesterday, who happens to be an infectious diseases physician (specialist doctor). I asked her about the fuss. She explained to me that there were no recorded cases of bird flu being transmitted from human-to-human, it was always bird-to-human. There are already confirmed cases in the U.S. of swine flu being transmitted human-to-human. That's the difference and why so much fuss is being made in the media.
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H2H2H? Been going on for years.
Hi SLF et al,
I tried to post a link to the thread I wanted you to see but it is too big for PPRuNe. Please go to the my page referred below and see the sub heading about Human to Human transmission. I would also suggest chasing up some info from the worlds experts such as Drs Michael Osterholm, Robert Webster and Lance Jennings (both the latter are Kiwis btw). These chaps are amongst the worlds leaders and were quite prominent during the H5N1 alert in 2005 and are again at the forefront with this H1N1 event. I have a page of info you may or may not find useful. A couple of links are broken as I wrote it in 2005 addressing H5N1 but it is all still quite relevant now. I posted the link earlier and put it here again as the thread (like most in PPRuNe) degenerated into garbage. I'll update the page should it become necessary but for now all the info there is quite relevant. Some H5N1 info This H1N1 epidemic may end up as the pandemic (certainly Dr Bob Webster thinks so) which is overdue. Let's wait and see but I strongly recommend everyone get the best info possible. Cheers, Brad |
30-50000 people suffer flu related deaths in a 1st world country ( the US ) every year !
100 odd people die in a 3rd world country and we are doomed ( by a disease that is treatable ) The " Financial Tsunami " is losing momentum in the press, so those bottom feeders need something else to start panic. Rather than exterminating pigs and birds, why not exterminate the press and solve 1/2 the worlds problems :mad: Not saying it's a problem to be ignored, but sell your airline shares and buy pharmaceutical. |
You can always CYA (cover your ass) by buying shares in Biota (code BTA) which manufactures Relenza.
Up 82% yesterday. There's no guarantee you still won't die but at least you'll die rich. Just remember to get out before it all becomes a non-event. |
Aviation's secondary infection Apr 28
by Stephen Bartholomeusz
Aviation's secondary infection Alan Joyce and Brett Godfrey are being given a refresher course, as if they needed one, in the reality of the airline industry. Murphy’s Law always applies. In an industry already reeling and under acute pressure from the impacts of the global financial crisis and recession, the last thing the Qantas and Virgin Blue chief executives would have wanted to learn of was the outbreak of what could develop into pandemic influenza. More particularly, with both carriers now bleeding from the sudden escalation in competition on what was once one of the most profitable of Qantas’ international routes, neither could afford fresh threats to traffic emanating from the Americas. The two Australian carriers – Virgin through its fledgling V Australia brand – are embroiled in a four-way dog-fight with United Airlines and Delta Airlines on the transpacific route to the west coast of the US that once generated an estimated 15 per cent of the Qantas group’s profits. The entry of V Australia and Delta to that route coincided with the steep downturn in passenger volumes and yields caused by the global crisis. Joyce recently conceded that Qantas would lose money on the route amidst deep discounting while Godfrey has said that he expects to lose more than V Australia’s start-up costs of $60 million in its first year of operation. Delta, the world’s largest carrier, last week described its entry to the route and plans to increase capacity as a ‘disaster’ for Qantas. It alone will increase capacity on the route by 25 per cent. Fares are estimated to have fallen nearly 60 per cent in the past six months, with premium high-margin traffic – a segment dominated by Qantas – particularly hard hit. Add the swine flu epidemic to the existing deteriorating economics of the route and it will be a disaster for all the carriers, not just Qantas. V Australia has already rescheduled planned deliveries of new aircraft in response to the altered circumstances on the route. The US carriers will be even harder hit, given the impact on their domestic networks and their Latin America traffic. It is too early to draw any meaningful comparisons with the SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) outbreak in 2003, which devastated airline traffic, particularly in Asia, in 2003. That crisis knocked more than one per cent off the GDP of Asian countries and at its worst reduced passenger volumes in the region by more than a third. It also produced Qantas’ first loss as a listed company, albeit only for a half year. The SARS outbreak came just as airlines were recovering from the impact of September 11. This time the global financial crisis had driven passenger volumes down for the first time since 2003 and they were still falling. If concerns about air travel continue to grow, the new threat could add to the existing severe pressures on the sector and force a broader and deeper restructuring of a flawed industry than might otherwise have been the case. On the transpacific route, it might bring some rationality and a realisation that in the current global economic climate a four-cornered contest characterised by deep discounting and unsustainable load factors is suicidal. At least one and more likely two of the airlines will be forced from that route if the losses continue to mount. |
HongKongPhoey,
You are absolutely spot on! Mention the words Pandemic and Outbreak, a few shots of people with face masks and if at all possible reference flu outbreaks at the turn of the century and bob's your uncle...we have a news story. |
Don't confuse "when pigs fly" with swine flu.
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Swine flu pandemics and other porkies
This article from today's crikey.com.au puts things in perspective
Swine flu pandemics and other porkies Canberra correspondent Bernard Keane writes: The human capacity for self-distraction is astonishing. In terms of impacts on human lives, the current outbreak of Swine Flu in North America is minimal compared to hundreds of other issues. This morning we had the remarkable sight of the US Homeland Security Secretary dolefully intoning that Americans would inevitably die from Swine Flu. Except, Americans will inevitably die from flu any time. Whether it is one specific strain of flu or another would, particularly to the victims, seem to be moot. Particularly elderly victims, many in nursing homes, whose deaths are frequently attributed to flu in the same way that police tend to blame motor vehicle accidents on speed i.e. because it’s a convenient thing to write on the form. The US Homeland Security Department in fact would save far more lives if it directed some of the resources now being allocated to fighting Swine Flu to gun control. Firearms will account for thousands of deaths in US in the course of this year. Motor vehicle accidents will take plenty of Americans as well. One could go on. Breast cancer. Falls in the elderly. SIDS. All real priorities but Swine Flu -- the pig link is so compelling isn’t it -- gets the attention, despite accounting for fewer deaths than a week’s road toll. Predictably, politicians here have seized on the opportunity to look simultaneously caring but stern, and assure voters that they’ll be protected. Here there has been talk of detention powers – seemingly the inevitable Australia response – to make sure we remain Swine Flu free. God help any boat people landing on Christmas Island while running a fever. And we can’t control that nationalistic instinct, can we -- we have the biggest Tamiflu stockpiles in the world, according to Nicola Roxon. Once again, we’re ahead of the curve and leading the world. To paraphrase Wayne Swan, every Health Minister in the world would gladly swap places with us. Egging the politicians on has been the mainstream media, which has led every bulletin with the latest trivial update on the death toll (or, as it was rendered in the SMH yesterday as the first doubts were cast on the hype, "probably deaths"). Plagues sell papers, of course, and what better way to get those eyeballs locked back in than to spread panic and suggest I Am Legend is just around the corner. The World Health Organisation put paid to some of the more hysterical coverage today by saying there had only been seven confirmed deaths. Let’s see if that takes the panic-stricken edge off the some of the coverage, which seems aimed solely at stoking public concern rather than accurately informing the public. |
Mexico outbreak traced to 'manure lagoons' at pig farm.
The thick plottens...:yuk: Mexico outbreak traced to 'manure lagoons' at pig farm - Times Online |
Listen you guys, at my age I have heard this crap, (you are all going to die) perhaps 10 times, very few did, perhaps the very young, and like my self the very old. This stuff is a medias manna from heaven, the reality is Mexico is a third world country, 90 per cent have nothing, 10 per cent do allright, very little medical care for the majority, so the end result is no mystery, out here with the help of a GP you will be no worse off than if you just got the normal flu, wash your hands, remember the A/C aircondioning is effective in filtering virus's and get on with your life, there is money to made out of all this madness and it won't be you, only chemists, scientists and bull sh%t artists, (and you can be assured the "natural health" people will have a tablet out in the next few weeks to save you), its happened before and will happen again, sadly it never lives up to the pessimists predictions, and most of us survive, but the damage to the airline industry is damaging everytime, and it costs jobs, THAT should be your main concern, not a couple of days in bed.
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Yet another media blow up
There isn't much to report apparently, so now we have a "Swine Flu" epidemic.
The media are desperate to sell STORIES. I guess they don't get paid otherwise. Just like SARS, Bird flu etc, foot and mouth disease, mad cow disease.... The fact is if the media didn't lie about the magnitude of these issues, we wouldn't even think about it.... or allow it to be manifested in our reality. The journos will get tired of swine flu, after causing health alerts, thermal screening of passengers, increased fares and swine flu levies, and move on to the next horror story. We will all pay for a flu vaccination perhaps. "Pilots will required to report flu symptoms on board" Nonsense. The pilots will fly the aeroplane.... the cabin crew will be the ones to identify and report sickness to the tech crew for report to the authorities.. When this issue has subsided, the media will be back to bitching about the awful economic situation we are supposedly in. Which has been caused by them. The road toll will get some more exposure. The media focus on NEGATIVITY which is destructive. We'd still be buying new cars if they hadn't scared us to death! This is just another attempt at sensationalism by the media to get us to watch the news!. Negativity sells .. apparently. We all know how they report aircraft incidents with total ignorance, therefore everything they print has to be regarded with suspicion! Live in the present moment, plan for the future, and do not be sucked in by the scourge of mankind..... aka Journalists. It is yet another beautiful day in Australia. Lets skip watching "The News"! :ok: |
The W.H.O. has just raised its alert level to FIVE - Pandemic imminent.
For your own health, and that of your family and friends, do not ignore this matter and make preparations as recommended by the Government. Translation: The posts by Pushback, Teresa Green and the article by Crikey are completely wrong. This is serious. It is serious for a number of reasons. Firstly, the virus is a new species never before seen. It is highly infectious. While it appears to be relatively mild at present, as it travels around the world the virus is going to have many opportunities to mutate, and it could mutate into a deadlier strain. We do not yet have a handle on it's lethality because the information coming out of Mexico is stuffed, but we already know its highly infectious. Even if its not directly lethal, the main killer in many influenza infections is secondary infection - usually with pneumonia, which can be a killer. But wait, there is more. Can you imagine what happens to the health system when perhaps 20% of the population are requiring treatment at any given time? ANd while it is currently a remote possibility, can you imagine what would happen if our wonderfful, globalised, just in time supply chain breaks down as a result of massive absenteeism? But don't listen to me, just stick your head in the sand. To pick an aviation example, what happens when not just one, but all of the refuellers at YMMB come down with Flu all at once? |
Child dies in US
As always, read the fine print...
The news followed the death of a 23-month-old child from swine flu in the United States - the first fatal victim outside Mexico. The toddler who died in Texas was a Mexican who crossed the border for treatment... |
Yet another media blow up
There isn't much to report apparently, so now we have a "Swine Flu" epidemic.
The media are desperate to sell STORIES. I guess they don't get paid otherwise. Just like SARS, Bird flu etc, foot and mouth disease, mad cow disease.... The fact is if the media didn't lie about the magnitude of these issues, we wouldn't even think about it.... or allow it to be manifested in our reality. The journos will get tired of swine flu, after causing health alerts, thermal screening of passengers, increased fares and swine flu levies, and move on to the next horror story. We will all pay for a flu vaccination perhaps. "Pilots will required to report flu symptoms on board" Nonsense. The pilots will fly the aeroplane.... the cabin crew will be the ones to identify and report sickness to the tech crew for report to the authorities.. When this issue has subsided, the media will be back to bitching about the awful economic situation we are supposedly in. Which has been caused by them. The road toll will get some more exposure. The media focus on NEGATIVITY which is destructive. We'd still be buying new cars if they hadn't scared us to death! This is just another attempt at sensationalism by the media to get us to watch the news!. Negativity sells .. apparently. We all know how they report aircraft incidents with total ignorance, therefore everything they print has to be regarded with suspicion! Live in the present moment, plan for the future, and do not be sucked in by the scourge of mankind..... aka Journalists. It is yet another beautiful day in Australia. Lets skip watching "The News"! :ok: |
mmm
Sunfish,
Wake up. See through the media web. Focus on the positives in life only...... |
Pushback, you are a fool.
I've been following this for Five years. The W.H.O. is bending over backwards to be conservative in it's response. Governments everywhere are doing their best to be seen as conservative and responsible, making reassuring noises to their populations so as to avoid panic....for now. But don't listen to me, start educating yourself: Flu Wiki - Main - Flu Wiki Plan for Pandemic: :: /www.singtomeohmuse.com |
Think about it
This is a forum in which we can present our views. It is not appropriate to level personal criticism.
If you have scientific proof to support your opinion.... then present it. Present it from your own personal knowledge or support it with non media related evidence. I do not wish to attack your personal beliefs, and you are welcome to pm me, I would be delighted to talk to you. I am of the opinion that the media is a negative influence on our society due to their inability to report the TRUTH. Lets go forward in life with a positive attitude.... it is the only way to make things happen. :ok: |
......wot pushback sed........
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(Sigh)
Visit the websites I've referenced and start reading, beginning with Flu Wiki. |
Don't worry about it
Just another media beat up.
Lets not give it credence. |
Now's the time to plan your staff travel, there'll be lots of empty seats as the wimps stay at home.
Probably get an upgrade as well. |
Think positive
Sunfish.
PM me your postal address, I would like to send you a gift... a book, titled The Power of Positive Thinking, by Norman Vincent Peale. Just to begin with. Brgds Pushback:ok: |
I saw on the news last night: News anchor said
"Brisbane has 4 suspected cases...including 2 people who have tested negative". In other words, BN has 2 suspected cases. :ugh: |
No 1 Dear.........are you by chance a relative of Pauline Hanson ? With logic like that you should be.
Please Explain?? |
Just another media beat up. Lets not give it credence. Certainly be a bit cheaper than using costly scientists and other field professionals. :ok: |
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