Gidday Old Fella. Absolutely right that we can all learn from the misfortunes of QF1 at the 19th hole.

However I think the figure was closer to in excess of $100 mil (yikes!). But I will stand corrected.

...not to mention 2 catalinas during the war, with a Lancastrian not long afterwards, all without trace, but we're digressing here....

Was it United or Pan Am that managed to pop the left wing gear structure through the top of the wing on a 747-SP after a less-than-smooth landing on 16(L) in Sydney?

Krusty, about $90mill if I recall.

c441, perhaps you mean 16R? Pan Am I think was long gone when 16L opened.

C441, that was Pan AM & it happened on two occasions.

Keg, the figures have been available on many PPRuNe threads & yeah it cost US$96m to fix & the aircraft was insured for US$187m but that doesn't stop stop contributors to this forum from perpetuating the myth that it should have been written off but QF did not want to admit a jet hull loss.

I'd like to thank QF for saving Mrs C's car. It was almost written off in an accident, some $20+ K for repairs to a $40+ K car. :ok:

And by car Claret i'm guessing you mean VH-NXE?? woopppsss :}

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Krusty34 Of course you are closer to the figure, a typo on my part. Three of my family were on the flight and I was able to read the full report, which somehow was made available to one of them. It made very interesting reading, especially the CVR transcript and the DFDR info from TOD to finally stopping. Extremely fortunate that it did not end much worse, considering it went off the end at 88 Kts, compared to the Connie which went off at about 40 kts.

You mean perhaps from the report available from the ATSB web site? :ugh:

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Keg. No, I mean a printed copy of substantial size which was provided to my aunt who was slightly injured in the event. I guess it was the same as the ATSB web report and it was several years ago.

Old Fella

Could post it here.(If possible)

ATSB report
 

Fark'n'ell You can click on the link at Keg's post and it will take you to it. If that doesn't work for you PM and I'll give you the detailed link.

I see on his blog he has got stuck into Emirates again, and made reference to the difference between incidents and accidents and repeated his original claim.

Maybe more to the point, I haven't seen a word about this accident in the rest of the media for over a week. Like, it didn't happen.

Sorry to burst your bubble beaver but the car is an Astra convertible, seats 4 at a pinch, and the driver tried to fly it across some paddocks!

The connection between it and QF 1 is both cost about 50% of their value to repair. In Mrs C's case, no one has accused her of repairing it just to avoid a hull loss.

Yeah, I meant 16R. It was in brackets because back then it was the only rwy 16!

It didn't dump too much fuel and have to land. It failed to extend the nose gear, as the emergency hydraulic pump hadn't been turned on by the flight engineer, who also misinterpreted the gear display, failing to notice the nose gear hadn't extended. They landed despite a gear warning.

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Yes, the F/E failed to note that the NLG was not indicating down. No, he did not fail to turn on the "Emergency hydraulic pump", which in fact is the Air driven hydraulic pump, for No 1 hydraulic system. It was found to have less than full output, the reason for which was not determined. Under high demand conditions the ADP's will augment the EDP's. The NLG did not lower, due in part to the fact that the flap was running out right down to touchdown and the hydraulic systems could not cope with the demand of flap and gear simultaneously without all pumps operable. (No 1 engine driven pump was not available). The Captain elected to continue with the landing despite a landing gear warning horn and an unsafe indication. Worth noting that the F/O had not yet completed line training to the type and the F/E was on his first revenue flight on the B747.

When the ATSB report eventually emerges and all you willy wavers have finished your mines bigger than yours bragadoccio I look forward to running the tape measure over your (potential accident loss of life which mighta coulda maybe but never happened) and comparing it's length with Sandilands (potential accident loss of life which mighta coulda maybe but never happened).

Christ Diesel Fitter, if your implication is that pilots should not have an opinion, then you obviously don't understand the nature of the beast. I thought the thread was going along nicely. Sure some Chinese whispers creep in, but that's almost inevitable.

Usually when someone accuses pilots of lining their "members" up, its more often than not by a person with zero or at least limited aeronautical experience. Say maybe an engineer who sees pilots as overpaid underworked primadonnas. Ironically that can sometimes be the case, but remember, this is a PROFESSIONAL PILOT'S forum, and among the collective experiences to be found here are opinions earned over many thousands of hours FLYING EXPERIENCE. Something that non professional pilots can sometimes fail to grasp.

If I am off the mark here, I humbly appologise in advance :(