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dodgybrothers 26th Mar 2009 01:20

oh no!!! Flak jackets please!!!!!

divingduck 26th Mar 2009 01:32

B737 in Cairns
 
what about the B737 that did 2 approaches into Cairns in about 88-89, broke off from both because they lost sight of the runway...behind a spot height of about 700 feet! :eek:
Turns out they were flying a Coolangatta approach, not a Cairns approach, wrong page open on the plates.

SGT Schulz 26th Mar 2009 01:48

QF 717 14 VOR into YBMK descends well below procedure level on outbound leg . Aiming at Black Mountain, continuing the approach after Tower low altitude alert, then trying to land on the Bruce Highway south of Mackay (approx hdg 180)
Once again saved by the Tower. Initially not following the Missed app tracking.!!!

FoxtrotAlpha18 26th Mar 2009 02:24


Originally Posted by Yobbo
How about the Qantas B767 who was preparing to ditch because the wx was below limits in Perth a few years back. Cooler heads in SYD prevailed and he did a auto land.

Was a 330 wasn't it???

denabol 26th Mar 2009 02:25

Yeah but these are all near misses. Emirates went and hit stuff with a few hundred people on board. I reckon in terms of damaged planes this could be biggest number of people to come close to dying in a plane that ran into something it wasn't supposed to in Australia since the TAA jet clipped a Canadian jet at Sydney.

Freewheel 26th Mar 2009 02:29

denabol,

I'm pretty sure the 707 at YSSY was Pan Am.

It was buffed and polished at the QF facility before being flown home freight only for a proper fix.

Bullethead 26th Mar 2009 04:06

Is this dill related to another dill by the same name who yabbers on Sydney radio?

Regards,
BH.

Trojan1981 26th Mar 2009 04:48

This sort of thing doesn't get an airing in the press. It is not likely Ben S. would know of any of these incidents. Good stories though, keep them coming!

Krusty
If Crikey and the 'net were around in '89 maybe these incidents would have been better disclosed to the public.

I don't know who owns/operates the site but the more sources of information the better. Better still if they are not owned by murdoch:ok:.

FoxtrotAlpha18 26th Mar 2009 05:10


Is this dill related to another dill by the same name who yabbers on Sydney radio?
Same dill...has been banished to the southern highlands but still occasionally ventures down to the big smoke I'm told! :hmm:

He used to write quite well but has become a bitter and twisted cranky old bastard in recent years by the looks of it. :*

KRviator 26th Mar 2009 05:44


Originally Posted by BulletHead
Is this dill related to another dill by the same name who yabbers on Sydney radio?

You mean Kyle Sandilands? Or is his real name Ben and Kyle is just a wank to make him sound better?

boocs 26th Mar 2009 05:45

Perhaps someone should email a link of this thread to Mr.S. himself!!

Disco Stu 26th Mar 2009 05:49

PANAM at SYD.
196901184

This one at SYD everyone has forgotten.
197001258

The 727 and the DC8 at SYD.
197101202

All from the ATSB website.

denabol 26th Mar 2009 06:06

Jesus H Christ. You mean Kyle and Ben are the same person!:eek:

No Idea Either 26th Mar 2009 06:38

While we're on near disasters, dont forget the QF 73 holding incident at CB a few years back.

There but for the grace of God.......(blah blah blah blah)

denabol 26th Mar 2009 06:49

I was going to put a message on his blog but someone beat me to it.

Anyhow, in his reply Kyle :eek: (Maybe he's Kyle's dad) came up with two other horror stories we've all missed.

I did think about that incident, and two others at Sydney as well, but the real test of a non fatal airliner accident is a jet that slams into something.
The Malaysia Airlines double pod strike at Melbourne only had 170 or 180 passengers on board. Only! Emirates had 225 passengers, four pilots, and I guessing here, at least six cabin crew.
There was no damaged to either airliner involved in a late 80s or early 90s incident at Sydney where a Cathay Pacific 747 that was in the process of taking off had an empty 747 towed across the runway ahead it it. The CX jet was rotated early, sort of hopped over the other jet, which I think was a Qantas 747, settled toward or even onto the runway beyond, and then continued its somewhat spectacular takeoff to Hong Kong.
If memory is correct, a few years later, I think in the early 90s, there was a triple near miss involving a Thai DC-10, an Ansett A320 and a Qantas 747. The Thai jet had been landing from the south and been told to hold short of the intersection of the (then) two runways. The Ansett A320 had priority in landing from the NE on the east-west runway, and the Qantas 747 was holding near the intersection with a full load. When the Ansett pilots realised the Thai jet wasn’t going to stop where instructed they began a go around. They missed the protruding nose of the Thai jet by about 20 feet. Had they hit it given the proximity of the Qantas jet, there was a serious risk of a disaster that would have engulfed three jets and around 700 passengers. In a story in The Bulletin a Qantas source was quoted as saying that the pilots had advised the cabin crew to prepare for a full evacuation as they feared a collision could occur.
But there was no contact between the jets. Although a serious incident, I think the limits were pushed a lot harder by EK 407 than any other non fatal incident in Australia so far.
Thanks for the tip off about Pprune. It can be entertaining at times. I had a look today at the main thread on the Emirates incident and that seemed to contain some knowledgeable speculation in the last few pages as to what could have caused the incident. The other stuff is just sand pit nonsense, which you is inevitable on all open forums.

FoxtrotAlpha18 26th Mar 2009 07:37


The CX jet was rotated early, sort of hopped over the other jet, which I think was a Qantas 747, settled toward or even onto the runway beyond, and then continued its somewhat spectacular takeoff to Hong Kong.
You have got to be sh!tting me!!! :eek::suspect::hmm:

Capt Kremin 26th Mar 2009 07:40

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yobbo
How about the Qantas B767 who was preparing to ditch because the wx was below limits in Perth a few years back. Cooler heads in SYD prevailed and he did a auto land.


Was a 330 wasn't it???
Neither, and it wasn't anything like that. But believe what you want.

denabol 26th Mar 2009 07:59

Shit it happened
 
FoxTrop Alpha,

I thought 'Kyle' had to be joking but maybe he does know his history. It happened. On September 11 1990 and the 9.3 MB report on the ATSB site is 199002359.pdf.

It includes the scariest diagram I've even seen of a CX plane at more than 10 degrees pitch up soaring over the back of the QF jet. They must have ordered a truck load of fresh undies for its arrival in Honkers.

Wiley 26th Mar 2009 08:11

197-something. Al Italia 747 maintained 3000' on departure from YMML hesding north, at night and more or less in IMC, and, acording to quite a few pilot residents at Mt Macedon, when within about 300' of starting a rather large bushfire on said mountain.

I'd have to agree with the earlier poster who said the TAA 727 clipping the Canadian DC-8's tail at SYD was probably a more serious accident with the potential to hve killed more (and was every bit as close a shave) than the EK incident. Although God only knows how many residents of Keilor the EK bird might have taken with it if it cleared the Keilor gully before hitting the ground.

FoxtrotAlpha18 26th Mar 2009 08:19

Thanks for that, but he said the CX flight "...settled toward or even onto the runway beyond, and then continued its somewhat spectacular takeoff..."

Now I haven't flown out of Sydney much, but I'd say there would've been less than a thousand feet of runway beyond what was then TWY Charlie, meaning it would have been a big effort for the CX jet to "...settle toward or even onto..." that tiny bit of tarmac after passing overhead another 747...:eek:


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