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How much truth is there in the rumour I heard about the repair of the airplane at Manila following the inflight oxy incident?
I heard the Phillipinos would not allow QF to use their hangerspace to repair the damage, it had to be temporary repaired out in the open, then given a dispensation to fly back to Oz to get repaired, which is where it is right now, I guess! I heard a payback from PA! Anymore details anyone? Cheers...FD...:ouch: |
There was initially no hangar space available in MNL. The aircraft was repaired to and positioned to Avalon to complete the refit of the aircraft interior which was not able to be done in MNL. I'm not sure if additional aiframe work was required in Avalon or not.
The crew that flew it from Manila to Avalon were the crew on board the flight when the oxy bottle blew. |
FD, I'd ignore the source of your info. There was a delay in getting hangar space from Lufthansa Technic but when it was taken into the hangar, a large part of the work was done by Qantas engineers, with the main structural work done by Boeing engineers. The following was posted on Qrewroom by the Captain who experienced the incident (and as Keg said, also flew it to Avalon along with the F/O):-
I had a look at the outside last night. Really quite an amazing sight. No skin repairs at all (i.e. panels and doublers); they've used new panels. The sections that have been replaced are huge, extending many feet forward and aft of the damage. Two complete frames were replaced, and a number of stringers. These weren't spliced/repaired, but replaced at the normal manufacturing junctions. The R2 door was replaced. I can't imagine how complex the work on the wiring and cable runs must have been. I haven't been inside yet, we'll have a look there later today after the test flight. Apparently seating etc that was removed has been packaged up and is in the hold, and that's why it's going to Avalon. |
Yep, thats where it was outside the hanger with the canteen. (we went in there and bought some pies) and sat on our nav bags and watched the fun. There seemed to be more chiefs than indians, as everybody had a opinion as to how to get her out. In the end she was stuck like a rat up a drainpipe. The engineers told us a Herc had done the same thing after a engine runup a few days earlier.
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a mate just emailed me a link to some pics
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/9130/towstacktz9.jpg http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/7...wstack2hp4.jpg |
You mean this one :ugh:
also in my email with the other pics :mad: found this article to :ugh: Qantas flight halted just before takeoff as wing damage spotted | Herald Sun A NEW Zealand-bound Qantas flight had to be aborted minutes before takeoff when wing damage was discovered by an engineer at Sydney airport today. The Christchurch-bound Qantas 747-300 was taxiing towards the runway at 9.15am (AEST) when an engineer noticed damage to its right wing flap. The engineer notified the pilot, who aborted the flight. Qantas said all 213 passengers on the plane have been given accommodation and meal vouchers, and booked on another flight tomorrow. The damage was being assessed, a spokeswoman for the airline said. The aborted flight is the latest mishap in recent months to plague the flying kangaroo. In July a Qantas 747 had its belly torn open when an oxygen tank exploded on a flight over Manila, sparking an Australian Transport Safety Bureau investigation. And in October a Qantas plane suffered a dramatic midair plunge on a flight from Singapore to Perth, where the plane fell 200m in 20 seconds, hurling unrestrained passengers around the cabin. About 40 passengers were taken to hospital after the plane made an emergency landing in Learmonth, nea http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6269/syd2fy3.jpg |
They will most likelly remove it. Just thought the pics might let people see the damage.
Hate the crap the media has with Qantas, Qantas this and Qantas that, They just need to spend a day with another airline !!! :ugh::ugh: |
Fair enough although the pix where available on TV 2nite in ML anyway, odd how the MOD/s think they know better! The Media like a story & airlines especially QF always gets peoples attention & therefore has a flow on effects for the advertisers, the ones that really own a media outlet.
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Looks like #14 Kreuger flap panel jammed on the outboard side during flap extension. They were lucky it was spotted from the outside as the flap drive unit was extended and would have indicated green on the LE flap annunciator and position indicator. Once again the Media did their usual sensationalist reporting. I think a turn back rather than an aborted T/O would have been more appropriate.
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'HotDog' I guess the ram or screwjack or whatever drives them out has enoug grunt to wreck a jammed one? Could the damage have been made by impact forces unbeknown to the person/s involved then was only noticed when extension was made? Just curious as unknown impact damage to planes wouldn't be all that unusual I'd say.
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The unfortunate guys on the floor might get a huge shafting for following the rules that their management have told them to follow. |
"I think a turn back rather than an aborted T/O would have been more appropriate." :confused:
?? Hotdog, the aircraft did not abort the T/O, simply taxied back to gate when damage noticed.:ugh: mutter, mutter, chinese whispers, dumped 60k fuel, landed short runway, pilot didn't have licence etc etc................ |
are you sure that's a photo of a Qantas 747? the colours above the wing look more like Cathay than a white Qantas fuselage?
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Tankengine, you've missed my point. I was quoting the news report which said they aborted takoff.:ugh:
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Capt Wally, I have several thousand hours on the Classic 747 but have never seen this kind of damage before. What you suggest is possible however. The panel may have suffered FOD on the previous landing and was missed after flap retraction but could have caused it to jam on subsequent extension.
ACMS, you are right the colours don't look like QF but Cathay do not operate the 74 into Sydney other than Cargo and they certainly weren't involved. |
The 2 seperate tears would seem to indicate a jammed o/b drive.
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Tnxs 'HotDog' am just thinking of other causes that's all. Close examination of the flap in the pix tends to show to me that perhaps it was jammed for unknown reasons & by the looks of it the attatchment point for the jack is at the L/H end (or close to it) meaning the jack pushed that part out but the panel failed about mid point, just an observation. Previous damage in some form is a very real possability however I think.
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Yes I know we don't operate 74's into SYD apart from the Freighter.
Who said the photo was really taken at Sydney Airport????? Although you can see a QF Red high lift device parked at the rear cargo, which means it's probably taken somewhere in Australia. |
You couldn't miss that damage on the walkaround.Must have happened on the taxi out ?
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What I find a bit strange is the CHC bound flight at 9:15 is a 767 service. I know it is because I was scheduled to fly it. I'm desperately hoping that this classic wasn't the replacement a/c because I ended up not going to CHC. If it was then those punters have had a seriously ordinary day. Delayed from 0915 to 1330 and then delayed again! :eek:
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