P & P is there for a reason, be accountable for your actions, it's not lego! A bad carpenter blames their tools.....conversly, I do sympathize!

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http://static.pprune.org/images/icons//icon8.gif Meeja !!
The Bimbo S.S. reading the Ch. 10 news (Syd tonight) described it as a Qantas CHRASH.:ugh: Media who'd feed them.http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/pukey.gif

Dazler I know the P & P is there for a reason, but it sucks when managers and the like hide behind it or update it on the run to save their own butts. This was a common move by one short ex SYD HM manager a few years ago

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No mate accountability is selective at some levels as you imply but that is not the point I was making.
I think what I was saying was if they have a case to answer taking into account the million things that will be MEDA'ed tap rooted etc they'll be dealt with. What we need first are the facts before judgement is passed.

cheers,
ac.

Who will get the blame..... the poor bastard who is the PIC (person in charge)... the towing policy covers every possible scenario with the same statement..." The person in charge will ensure that..... blah blah blah"

so... continue to tow at your own peril, knowing that full well that if anything goes wrong... even if it gets hit by lightning during a tow, the PIC will be blamed and asked to touch his toes and hold tight.....

As for towing around the ever shrinking jet base.... try dragging a 744 between h131 and the run bay when the blast fence is in the southern position and an aircraft is in w14.... who is to blame if you whack a winglet.... PIC.
never the :mad:ing idiots who build the shyte in the way.

Hope the guys in Avalon get a slap on the wrist only.... but with this culture of blame thats festered in this place, who knows

my my my....it was only a few months ago that LAME's were sticking together for the first time and we needed too ...now we are bagging LAME's at the first chance without any real info....how many of us have not made a mistake...lets support the guy's involed,and dont bother to tell me that i have not used correct grammer or used a few more commers as i dont care we are engineers not english teachers

Video showing some of the damage here

Had to laugh when they said "both planes are expected to be out of commission at least until the weekend"...

another superlame,that 744 run away in H71,was an accumulator failure not a crew mistake,very scary:sad:

EP sorry about that, we got the other story on our shift. Still very lucky either way you look at it

Now they are the "World's most experienced airline". I believe this was Pan Am's slogan back in 1961. QANTAS can't even come up with their own slogan. How much did they pay for someone to steal that and use it?

Anyway, the incident at AVV today was most unfortunate, but the usual OOH AHH brigade will be out in full force, and out will come the pointing fingers shifting the blame on the guys involved.

Not only will the PIC be held responsible, but all involved on both aircraft will more than likely undergo a drug and alcohol test, not to mention the rabbits that may have witnessed the incident.

Now we'll just have to await the torrent of e-mails and ammended procedures to towing after this incident. These incidents have been around since year dot, and will continue to happen, no matter what procedure is in place, or which idiot manager writes them. It's a thing called "Human Factors". I'm sure all in QF have attended a HF course over recent years. Who knows how much O/T has been worked by the people involved, or the shift they've been on. So long as none were under the influence of alcohol or drugs, it will be, for all intent and purposes, an accident. N one goes ot of their way to intentionally damage an aircraft or their own reputation.

Maybe QF management are the ones who need to be tested.

a parting gift to you geoff from the LAMES OF EBA 8

My understanding it has to be a LAME on the flight deck when being towed, not a AME is this correct. Anyway sh$t happens, its happened before and will happen again. (Must say though that 747/400 involved in the oxy incident is starting to look like my wifes car. Best time is when they got ol EBB's wing caught behind a power pole on the base,the more pushing and shoving the more she got stuck. ( I happened to be in the crew) we stood and watched for some time, (very entertaining) in the end they took the pole out after cutting of the power, big problem being nobody told anybody in Admin 1, so the techies and c/c were stuck in the lifts along with ground staff. All flights were delayed up to three hours or more as hot and bothered crews and staff were rescued, some of the girls were slightly distraught to say the least, we were ok we were only doing a MEL, those who were heading up the track, had the total S$its, no sense of humour what so ever. :E Hope nobody gets into to much trouble over this at Avalon, but knowing the company.......... there will be a witchhunt. :uhoh:

yep teresa green it was called wing tip growth in them days and its the same now happens when you try to turn one of these big babies the wing gets longer

You're spot on RIM. Maybe it's time to reissue that maint memo of 20 years ago that explained "wing tip growth"!!

Is there any Qantas pilot that has anything positive to say about the company? Why is it that any mistake/accident is automatically because of the decision to cut costs and make management changes? There are other reasons..believe it or not!

I think you'll find that 99% of the posts on this thread aren't from Qantas pilots. Qantas LAMES and ex-LAMES seem to make up the vast bulk. I am not sure what Obie is..... (hopefully under full-time supervision!)

Obie aka Amos2 won't be posting on this thread for a little while.:=

For those Classic drivers destined for type conversions & the FE's about to be made redundant sit tight the classic might be around a bit longer then December.

MC:8

"My understanding it has to be a LAME on the flight deck when being towed, not a AME is this correct"

Not anymore ppm was changed during the PIA, now any duly trained person with a tow safe card - another inconvenient truth!:ok:

yep FMU but i think the first time wing tip growth memo came out it may have been something like 30plus years ago when we first starting getting the 74's stuck at the end of h131 untill they got rid of that light pole