New B767's for QF ?.
 

Latest rumour is that Boeing has offered to lease new B767's, either 200, 300 or 400's or a combination thereof to QF due to further delays in the B787 delivery program.

ha ha... why not throw in some spare 707's

let me get this straight...there are "new" 767-200s available, where have they been? Wrapped in gladwrap for 20 years?:E

As new 200's that is...some may even have an engineers seat thrown in for free....:ooh:

Shouldn't be a surprise if Boeing offers new build 767 300's at "mates rates" to QF/JQ until the 787 fiasco is sorted.

(I am assuming the 767 300 production line is still open ?)

If they were destined for JQ, plenty of the ex AN people there are 767 rated.

Yes the 767-300/300ER are still being made, and from what I have heard, both the Japanese carriers are getting 767's to cover the delays of the 787. ANA, the 787 launch carrier is certainly getting quite a few to cover the delays, so it would make sense to give Qantas a few to do the same....

I believe Continental Airlines have some late model 767-200s....

Sorry Fellas. The B767-200 is alive and well. It was the platform offered to the USAF recently as a tanker.

FYI. The Boeing website shows the following prices.

B767-200ER $124.5 - $135.5

B767-300ER $141.0 - $157.5

B767-400ER $154.0 - $169.0

I understand the lease rates, terms and conditions offered are very attractive !.
Even been offered a B767-200ERHGW with trans pacific capability with approx
175 pax in 2 classes. ie. Business and Premium Economy !.

She needs a little TLC, but best offer?

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OLD TECHNOLOGY:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Might be old technology, but it's still working well.:ok:

Holy Crap! I just looked it up & the first 767 flew 27 years ago!!!:eek:

I remember when they first turned up at Tulla & the open day at the Maintenance base when we all trundled through them....I'm feeling old now...I might just have a lie down...:(

Considering the 767 will have to keep the cityflyer flag flying for at least another 4 years then this rumour might have legs!
The A330 and 787 have too big a wingspan for many of the domestic gates, hence the attractiveness of more 76's.
Qantas could then devote the 78, when they get them, to international routes.
If QF can get them for a song then I think it's a good idea.

Don't you mean "****ty Liar Service" wingspar, considering the magnitude of apologies given for service failure these days!?:}

Still orders for 767's.

The Boeing Company

Blow

Yep, totally agree. Maybe getting rid of the Rollers, the older 76's and replacing them with a few newbuilds may reduce the apologies!

This idea was first floated about 8 or nine months ago and makes a lot of sense.
Boeing have 2 options to compensate customers still waiting for a 787.
Option 1 - Cash compensation
-Costs a hell of a lot
-Customer still needs capacity so spends Boeings compensation money buying a competitors product
-Customer has to employ staff and train them to operate competitors product
-Competitor has no equivalent product anyway, customer airline ends up with an aircraft either too large or small for its needs.
Option 2 - Give customer capacity with replacement aircraft
-Boeing produces a new aircraft an aircraft on its currently dormant production line, costs Boeing much less as they are only compensating the customer by the amount it costs to build the aircraft, not the sticker price.
-Customer gets capacity it needs without buying a competitors product
-Customer employs and trains staff, particularly tech crew on 767, when 787 arrives it is merely a 2 week conversion course
-When 787 is delivered, Boeing gets to take it back and either sell it or convert to freighter etc, thereby recouping much of what would otherwise have been a substantial cash payout

If the rumour has legs, the most likely scenario would have QF take a number of relatively new 767s and pass more A330-300 to JQ pending delivery of JQ 787s.

That allows JQ to start ramping up International flying in line with the original plan.

What happens when 787s appear depends on the "new" 767 lease arrangements; either they are returned on a one for one basis, or "old" 767s which are approaching Heavy Maintenance visits are released closer to original plan, and the "new" ones are the last to go in five or seven years' time.

Pure speculation based on a rumour. What Pprune does so well.:E

Wod. If I'm reading you right...are you suggesting they "re birth" a few of the older 767s & send them back to Boeing? :p Do you think they'd notice?

Nice one Buster!:D

What I intended to say was that the old clunkers go to the fretsaw farm quite quickly, while the flash new aircraft are kept until the end of the 767 era and then returned to Boeing.

Depends on the deal.

If, indeed, there is one.

.....only if they entered the cockpit and saw the "hand painted with a paint brush" control columns with the Boeing brown.....:}

Wonder if QF with their technology drought, would ask for the 767s to have no GPS installed and the oldest most out of date FMCs on the market ?

Lol. They'd have to do that anyway to ensure that they had commonality with the 767s already in the fleet! :E :}

Isnt it a CASA requirement that by 2011 all transport category aircraft be fitted with GPS and not just the triple/double IRS system the B767's/B737-400's have now?

Sounds like a good solution.....lease new B767-300/400's, replace the older 767-300's and replace the RR B767's until the B787's are available etc.

Get decent entertainment systems, decent business class seats with sleepers on board and flog the B767's up to Asia again.
Everyone's a winner!

Pity Qantas didnt have GPS and new FMCs fitted when the exchange rate was 96c/US dollar. Another wise QF decision.

QF 767s have GPS. Just not connected (mostly) to the FMC. (needed for egpws)

The 5 youngest QF B767's have dual GPS receivers integrated with Pegasus FMCs. Retrofit of GPS to the rest of the fleet would be fairly cheap but unfortunately the older FMCs are not capable of integrating with GPS and replacing them with Pegasus FMCs would be very expensive. A GPS receiver is embedded in the EGPWS and has a capability of supplying GPS data to other systems but the FMC limitation has prevented use of this capability.

Personally, I think that B777-300ER's would be a better option to make up for the lack of capacity until the B787 deliveries start.

Does fitting a remote GPS indication to run drift comparisons from the 3 IRS blended position meet the requirements?

Going boeing - the 737-400s have the EGPWs GPS and old (albeit SMITHs industries) FMCs capable of integrating the GPS signal - only (apparently) CASA would not allow them to connect them. Even if the old 767s FMCs were updated, would they run into the same problem with CASA, or would dedicated GPS for FMCs need to be installed.

(Personally I have no idea about the system integration of EGPWS GPS input vs normal FMC GPS input)

I don't know about the CASA problem - I was told by Manager Technical that the only way to put GPS capability in the older B767's was to retrofit them with Pegasus FMCs and that was too expensive to justify.

CASA may indeed have stopped QF from installing their own GPS mod to the B733/B734. However since then Boeing has developed an STC to add GPS to the GE (ex Smiths) FMC on the B737 CL series, whilst I am not current with B767 FMC, one of the advantages of the Pegasus FMC was the GPS ability.

Sextant, tables & astrodome, anyone? :}

Come on Taildragger........ get with the game!!!!

Doppler anyone?:}

J:cool:

Going Boeing, isn't it only in the three youngest?

It's only OGT-U-V

i know this is a rumor network but jeez :) not going to happen

Pure speculation, as you are unable to get old non FADEC 767's any more I'm sure Qantas will be unwilling to sign on, OGV was never ment to happen, only once orders were placed Boeing informed Q "No more carburettors guys!"

Another brilliant decision, PMC powered 767's........

Redstone, the FADEC version of the GE engines became available after the first five B763's were delivered but Qantas management with all their wisdom decided that, for future aircraft acquisitions, it would be better to stay with the standard engine and have a common fleet rather that operate a mixed FADEC/non FADEC fleet (which is what Air NZ ended up doing with no problems). This decision appeared to be vindicated when the Lauda Air tragedy occurred with reverser deploying during climb out of BKK. The engine in that case was FADEC and a number of people initially were saying that it would never happen on a non FADEC engine. Subsequent modifications were applied to all engines (GE/RR/PW) irrespective of the engine management system.

The only reason that OGV was ordered with FADEC engines was that after OGU was delivered, Qantas purchased three second hand GE (FADEC) powered B744's (otherwise known as the "ugly sisters"). Therefore, having FADEC engines in the engineering system already, it made sense to order OGV fitted with them.

OGV also has a different Leading Edge Slat system to the rest of the fleet as it came off the production line just before the first of the B767-400's. Boeing had designed a lighter, simpler & more reliable LE Slat system for the B764 and OGV benefitted from it.

Bankstown & Lancer, you are correct - it is only the last three aircraft fitted with GPS/Pegasus. My bad.

Going Boeing, presuming Qantas had made the decision to move from P&W to GE (-200 to -300) the Lauda argument is academic, the GE reverser system (PMC or FADEC) is worlds apart from the PW4000 (so is RR for that matter). The bonus for a 74/76 fleet with common FADEC engines is the ability to run them on the 767 untill fairly tired (egt margin etc) then de-rate, swap to a 400 and squeeze more wing time before overhaul. I agree with you on the fleet commonality/standardisation issue, just another wasted opportunity, but I digress.

-400 767's bring a training issue from an engineering perspective which equals dollars which equals "wont happen". More -300 er's would slot in nicely but with the onset of the current global predicament and the possability of reduced fleet utalisation-a long shot.

My money would be on the 777, with retirement or reduced flying of a portion of the 747 fleet.

Anyone care to take bets that "whatever the new aircraft it won't be flown under the Longhaul contract":bored: