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BlunderBus 8th Aug 2008 14:10

beyond belief
 
yes..it's totally beyond belief that an aussie operator would calculate takeoff data for one runway and mistakenly use another...747's don't do it in taipei either!..or 340's in anchorage..or 777's in bangkok...etc etc

Capt Kremin 8th Aug 2008 23:18

The two runways in NRT are separated by a couple of kilometres, they are not side by side and have diametrically opposed taxi routes. You cannot mistake one for the other. You cannot taxi for one and mistakenly end up on another. Departures on each runway are strictly controlled by a slot system, of which ATC are very aware.

For a crew to take off on the wrong runway there, ATC also would have to have screwed up mightily.

It didn't happen. Its a beat up. Build a bridge...

Bug Smasher Smasher 9th Aug 2008 11:29

A series of slices of Swiss cheese lined up on the night. Incorrect thrust was set. SOPs subsequently changed.

And no, it wasn't me. ;)

Ochre Insider 10th Aug 2008 01:00

Yes blueloo and Bug Smasher Smasher, you seem to be the only people on this forum who know the truth.

The last thing I would ever do in this business is criticise anyone for making an error, regardless of the possible consequences. It can happen to anyone at any time. The most important thing is to identify the deficiency that caused the error. In this case the crew self-reported, and a procedural flaw was identified and corrected. There was no retribution.

Open reporting at its best. Nice to see the system works.

"Take-off Data Checked"

OI

Capt Fathom 10th Aug 2008 02:01

"Take-off Data Checked"

But has it? And therein lies the problem of Challenge and Response.

Ochre Insider 10th Aug 2008 04:07

Capt Fathom

It is not a checklist item, but rather a procedural item on lineup. It is a statement by the PNF that is confirmed by the PF.

OI

bush pelican 10th Aug 2008 08:15

Paint this tail red!
 
Take Off at Canberra. Taken from the tower. (use sound)

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...-Australia.wmv


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