I am off to LHR today, but was prepared to swim. Don't let up lads, keep going and stick it to em..

I am very impressed with the "New" ALAEA management.

BTW, PAF can be safely added to your ignore lists as he knows nothing about that which he continually squeaks about.

i just rewarded my staff with a 15% to 26% pay increase for the last 18 months,they are a semi skilled workforce,and my cost has been rising also for that period(transport,cost of capital,rents,new taxes,capital expenditure),but i see my staff as my most valuable asset,oh and at there Christmas party they got a bit more than a $10 voucher.
Before long my staff will be on wage parity with a grade 3 LAME and don't forget they are semi skilled,perhaps in the near future i will be able to offer you guys a better paying position.cheers:ok::ok:

PAF is a troll. A stupid troll at that.

How do you reconcile your views on "the free market" with How is withdrawing one's labour, against the working of the free market? Surely it is the purest form of the market in action? Striking morally bankrupt? When a plumber quotes a job, is he morally bankrupt if he elects not to do the work for less than what he quotes? A fairly idiotic position really- declaring your love of the free market but finding it's workings reprehensible. As for "harming others"- isn't the employer trying "harm" the employees by paying them less?

There will always be the 'PAF's" of this world, they keep us on our toes. But the more you debate with this guy the more you feed him.
The fight is with GD & the ugly at the top, not with PAF, don't waste yr energy on him.


CW

To the ALAEA: Please confirm; the OT bans are still on and a professional and assiduous approach to defect reporting from tech and cabin crew would not cause the ALAEA professionals who are tasked with the rectification of same, any unwarranted stress at this time?;)

Agreed, and if he does work for defence I hope he enjoyed his recent 2.5% rise(well below inflation).
A capable person would stop making enemies find employment elsewhere.

Trojan1981 If you’re going to make misleading statements, can you at least post the correct % increase figure?

CaptKremlin To the ALAEA: Please confirm; the OT bans are still on and a professional and assiduous approach to defect reporting from tech and cabin crew would not cause the ALAEA professionals who are tasked with the rectification of same, any unwarranted stress at this time?



Absolutely write up 110% of any defects you see both in Techlog and
cabin cond/IFE logs. The more hold items that choke the front of ALL logs the better.

Even the slightest perception of a defect,WRITE IT UP. With NO ONE doing O/T and people away on stress leave or sick etc,pressure builds at an exponential rate.CASA don't like too many of those green coupons,as I'm sure you guys don't either.

Electroted
 

You find-em

We'll fix-em

(if we had the time, manpower, license, parts, tools .....):ugh:

Copied.... will comply!:ok:

So, with the help of Sharon, Dicko wins again!

Is that how you see it? :ok:

Public Perception
 

P.A.F The general public and people travelling will look at the facts.We arent asking for a rise that isnt fair.They will be upset that they have been inconvenienced, but the reason is that management have forced us into this protected industrial action because of its own greed.Surely you have to agree with me on this.:sad:

Must Listen to this!
 

http://www.mytalk.com.au/aspx/pages/...t=audio&w=5751

2UE RADIO MANDATORY LISTENING! Sad isn't it? Time for a reality check!

http://www.seek.com.au/jobsearch/ind...ccupation=1329

Any hackers no how to crash a web page lol

What a fantastic spiel on 2UE. You guys are not being unrealistic. You're not being greedy. Nor is any other part of the company. As a flight attendant, I've seen how far the company is prepared to go to screw its staff over. We were backed into a corner and being an "unskilled" workforce, were easily replaceable. We lost our industrial fight years ago. But you guys still have a chance to make a difference - not just for yourselves, but for all other parts of the company.

As was said on 2UE, when a company is doing well, the staff should do well, too. We all had wage freezes when we were duped into believing that times were tough and we have never recovered that lost income, even after QF made record profits that year. And I'm not talking about one off bonuses of $700 after tax. All we want is reasonable pay increases when we are doing well. A 3% pay increase can be considered a 1.8% pay cut, due to inflation. And inflation has been at around the 4% mark for years now and none of us has got any more than 3%, so we are all behind.

And PAF, I hope you are not Australian, because you sure don't seem like an Australian. Our country was always about fairness, and when things aren't fair, we stand up to bring things back into balance. We have fair industrial rights, not through the kindness of employers, but by fighting hard for it. A lot of what has been fought for in the past is now being eroded. Trust me; I fly to the US often enough and I know what things are like there. We DO NOT want to become like that country, but we slowly are.

Guys, stay united. Speak to staff who can help you out: pilots, cabin crew and ground staff. Make sure they understand what this is about. It's not thuggery or greediness. That is what management is about.

Great report, nobody who is in the know would say otherwise. BUT those almost heroic words are falling on deaf ears. We hear them & we agree but GD & his thieves are hardly going to take any notice of that or any other speach. Mr & Mrs general public share holders might think geeeez I wasn't aware that it was like that in our national airline & and after a little time they shall forget what anquish is being felt amongst the troops as long as QF's shares stay stable, the planes keep flying & some other sector of the work force gets the front pages of the editorials & it slowly dies off. To weaken the top of any structure you need to undermine the foundations, this is where I believe the engineers have the tools to do the job:ok:
I guess the engineers have got to 'test' the waters before they plan their next move. Greed is the engineers biggest enemy & it starts right at the top!


CW

Good stuff 2UE, but what a lot of people are forgetting is what Qantas originally offered. 3% (plus 1% super for SOME) was the final outcome after 18 months of exhaustive work by the ALAEA. What we were originally offered was a package that had the potential to cut most LAME wages in half. (XPT & Def of a LAME). I think that we should also let the media know of this.

I posted this link to the editor of the Australian and Herald Sun

Resumedomain.com ads on seek
 

http://www.seek.com.au/jobsearch/ind...ccupation=1329

These ads were appearing in The Australian early last year. Is that how long they've been trying to recruit scabs for?

Resumedomain.com ads on seek
 

http://www.seek.com.au/jobsearch/ind...ccupation=1329

Well. In true QF management style, it is not really 'cost effective' having the scabs flying around and staying in hotels while waiting in desperate anticipation of the ALAEA's next move. So some bright spark has come up with the ingenious idea of hiring the scabs and keeping them at their home base. Problem is where are they going to come from? You got rid of a heap of dedicated people and most of them with a conscience. Most have moved on and I am sure that when they know they'll be used for scabbing, they will steer clear. I have faith in them. Sure some of them may have already signed up, but they haven't stepped foot in the place,and I don't think that they will have a very likeable work environment. Is it really worth the scab money???:sad:

To a scab it is worth the money and there will be more of them than you can imagine...so, don't get too cocky!

Well considering the amount of time they have been advertising, you can't imagine there would be that many takers... let's see their faces when things start to heat up.

The advertising is there to keep the heat on YOU!

They would have all the scabs they need, available as and when required.

You should do some homework on past disputes where scabs have been involved.

I'll give the results of that of that homework,previous scabs in past disputes(AME's in 01-02)very few in numbers,in Sydney maybe there was at best 15 of the bottom feeders,all thinking they would have a future with engineering if they carried out the wishes of management,once the dispute was over all but a couple remained,the ones that left couldn't handle the silence,(imagine sitting on your own ever lunch time,no one to give you a hand if your stuck on a job,people looking straight through you),most cracked very quickly and left and the one's that remained also are now gone with the closure of H245...

There you are frodo.

An answer to the question please.

Where do you think Qantas would be now had the APA deal gone through?

PAF, your an idiot!
So your saying QF and you are happy now to pay engineers $140 000 per six months. That being the case this will be over tomorrow.:ok:

Here we go again, Mr Frozo why is it you are so hostile to strikes? Why is it you blame the union/employee when this sort of PROTECTED INDUSTRIAL ACTION is taken. You always seem to think that the employees want to go through the hardship, polarisation and pain of this sort of situation for the fun of it, or to just cause trouble. What if that's all that's left to do after they've exhausted all other avenues. Ohh, that's right your idea is they should leave, bugger family, workmates, pride, quality, history or any of those other things you don't seem to think employees can have with a job.

You don't seem to find fault in a posturing manager trying to begin or prolong conflict and alienate a workforce. Your strange ideals put new style managers in the god zone as being there only for the shareholders.

If people choose to undermine their workmates conditions for short term gain then that's their business, if others choose to treat them with disdain then that's their choice also. As we've seen in the past none of this would be good so let's just support a FAIR CPI rise and forget some Manager who thinks he'll look better if he squeezes a group of employees and hope his type dissappear and managers who understand the value of long term happy employees start to get a go rather than the old, dated style of managers we've been hearing and seeing.

Robbed this Quote from the link below. Keep up the fight boys,stay united and jam their overtime up their arse !!!!

http://www.hpae.org/clarion0704onevoice2.htm


"In life as we move forward not often enough do we pause to look back and appreciate some of the things we have done in the past that makes it a better place to live in now"

Others can do it, so can we:

http://www.hpae.org/clarion0704onevoice2.htm

Sorry boss,I'm unavailable...............hehe

Overtime ban (wikipedia) :

An overtime ban is a form of industrial action where employees limit their working time to the hours specified in their contracts, refusing to work any overtime. Overtime bans are less disruptive than strike action, and since there is no breach of contract by the employees there is less chance of disciplinary action by the employer than there is with strikes. However, an
overtime ban can have a significant impact on industries which normally operate outside of regular office hours, such as emergency services,
EG (Broken plane) in a foreign port :ok:, public transport,
EG (QF) :ok:..........HEHE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overtime_ban

They represent the selfish union members

You've got to be joking !!!

How is it selfish to ask for a payrise which keeps pace with inflation ???

Whats selfish is management giving themselves huge pay rises in mutiples of inflation and then tell people under them they have to tighten their belts and stop being greedy !!!


TOOL

PAF: I thought GD made it clear to you already years ago, they don’t give a stuff what platinum FF or any pax think. Write all the letter you want.

As you said, QF should be able to put out the wage they are offering us to the market and see who they get.
As they know they will get nobody, they are offering twice our wage to get people and still failing.

Don’t worry. I’m impressed with your Platinum thingy, even if QF aren’t.

Guys guys guys i've said it before ya gotta stop feeding the PAF's of the world, the more you try to get this guy to see common sense the more you feed him. If you ignore him completly (& there's an obvious way to do that) then he will soon tire & when he is no longer being fed by way of barking back at him he will die off!


CW

to the ginger beers, you should be asking for a 500% pay increase to keep up with management. imagine the uproar in the press, great way to tick off the bosses and highlight exactly what is going on.... then reduce your demands to a reasonable level.
c'mon PAF, you are really AIRCRAFT aren't you? i bet you tell people at parties you are a platinum ff just to impress them.

I dont believe PAF is for real.All that he says here is just for a reaction.

Actually,PAF is the best fisherman in the world,because with not much bait,he catches alot of ppruners.........Good one PAF...hahahaha

Throw us another line,and we'll see who takes the bait,hey!!:}

PAF,

The Qantas engineers are not asking for the world. People wouldn't mind wage restraint so much if they saw it being exercised by those preaching it. Rather than the current management greed, justified by paying the going rate.
Aligning yourself with Dixons spin does not make you some quasi Captain of Industry or put you in the club with him. GD will not meet you some day, shake your hand, and declare you his soul brother. The sooner you realise this, the sooner your recovery will start.
Take deep breaths , go for a long walk, smell the roses, maybe do some volunteer work, try to empathise with others, and then you will start to feel better about yourself.
Hope this helps.

If Qantas was loosing money then we would show a bit of restraint,but this company has been turning over profit year after year at the expense of it's work force.The only people (if you can call them that) that have given themselves pay rises are GD and his cronies.The work force is the one that has built this company and should be shown better respect.
Many of my friends have been asked to be a scab but have told the job agencies in no uncertain terms what they think of them.
Stick together people we will triumph in the end.