Who wants a Jetstar Command??
 

Apparently not that many!
The latsest round of commands where allocated today with 4 NZCH and 2 YMHB commands left wanting!!
How funny is it that not one person in Jetstar either has the requirements or the desire to take a Jet command in NZCH or YMHB!!!
Or 28 F/O slots through-out the network...
BBBWWWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH:D:rolleyes::E:ok:
What a Fu%^ing joke of an industry!
but the EBA got up!!!!
but there is no pilot shortage!!!

JetStar Comands
 

Rostov, reading your post just gives me the screaming Sh1ts.

This is not a shot at the messenger.

I first listed my qualifications with JQ back when they were first starting, back in late 2004. Updated on more than one occasion. My first choice for bases was Hobart followed by OOL and then MEL. I have 1000s of hours on the bus. Still current even, have a right to live and work in Oz and even have an Australian ATPL with the rating. I have yet to hear anything from this mob.

Oh well.

There is a reason for everything!:=

you had to wear a blue shirt post 89 to get a look in, thats why.

Just noticed this on www.climbto350.com
Jetstar??

April 9, 2008
LFXS (A319 & A320 Captains & First Officers - Australia)
Tel: (847) 735-1300
Fax: (847) 735-1320
Email: Click here to Apply
Web Site: http://www.lfxsearch.com

Non-North American airline seeks Airbus and First Officers. Location Australia

I have been through interview, planning exercise and all of the hoops. Had an email to say that I had made it to the last stage and JQ would be checking my references.... That was 3.5 weeks ago and my references still haven't been contacted even though they have been sent emails to confirm when they are available. Everytime I call them I am told the references will definately be checked within the next few days, I pass that on to my referees and then nothing......!! Who carries out these checks. So now I feel like I am in limbo and the two referees are getting pissed off ... doh:}... so they can't be that desperate.

UK / NZ / OZ ATPL
4800 TT
2500 A320
1000 DHC8

Well said dodgybrothers,

from what i hear must be a part of their C&T :ooh:

AH, I have a mate in OZ in a similar position. I hear everything is being put on hold to allow 35 or so visa 457 holders to start. Good luck to the 'promoted' f/o's with their 12 month wait for command training.:ugh:

Ready to be corrected on this one.

Did you maybe consider that these Commands may be subsequencial Commands?
New positions that come about when allocated positions are filled.
Just a thought,

waiting
 

4000HRS Total
2300hrs jet
600hrs A320
Aus ATPL right to live and work in oz. Had my application in for about 12months but no news either. I thought there was a shortage too

An optimist might would would hope this is just bureaucratic incompetence, a cynic that you are not "vulnerable" enough.
You can bet the 457 visa holders escaping Africa won't cause any trouble for management... until the day after they gain permanent residency.

Skills and experience have nothing to do with your chance to get an interview or to be employed by an Australian carrier.
This is a fact.

So what is they are looking for in an applicant then?

Somebody willing to pay for an endorsement?

No, they where in fact the advertised slots in Christchurch and Hobart.

Well that explains everything. They are the bits of australia that broke off and floated away.

Yas, but some of them swam back across the Tismin and populated Tasmania:E

8000TT, 4000 Airbus 320/1, 330, 340. Aussie citizen. Aussie ATPL. Application submitted twice in last couple of years, not a word apart from acknowledgement email.
Where's the pilot shortage then???
:(

ooh:Ooooooooh!

Mat,
Didn't think I was that threatening?
First time for everything I guess
:D

Mods,

Mudflats out of line, sinbin 'im for a while.

jetstar
 

What is going on at Jetstar...why wouldnt anyone take the upgrades in those places?

What is it like at Jetstar....pay...rules...how do they treat you?

Someone that is there and knows; could you please fill us/me in.

Thanks.

How about a lack of ability to actually train anyone who wants to do it anyhow.:}

That is an awfully big statement and if true, should result in their AOC being pulled. You have an obligation to tell more.......

Around the world, right now, there are hundreds of Australia pilots who have "paid for their jobs" through direct payment for their type rating, salary sacrifice, bonds, reduced training pay etc etc. What about those guys?

I'd bet that pilot for pilot Jetstar F/Os are no different in standards, motivation and background than F/Os at any other middle size western airline. If you have rich parents and they pay for your instrument rating and multi time then you might gt a job 2 years earlier than someone not so advantaged. Someone "bought" your job didn't they.

Flying is too good a life to get all tangled up over definitions.

Captain Sherm,

There can't be too many that paid for their jobs to fly abroad, especially when they could have stayed at home and done that. In fact I have worked abroad and can't think of one that paid for a job...or took salary sacrifice(???!!). What is that anyway, some satanic ritual you now do to get through the selection process?:ugh:

So back to the original post then, does this mean there are F/Os in Jetstar who have turned down the opportunity of a command just because of where it is based?
When the opportunity for my first command came up, I took it regardless, and that was on a turboprop. I know now that life is about more than what seat you sit in/aircraft you fly, but in the early stages of my career, initial command wasn't something you turned down....unless you weren't right in the head. Christchurch and Hobart might not be the first choice for many, but surely you are unlikely to be stuck there forever...and they are not exactly Baghdad or Kabul. There are plenty of people who go to worse places for jobs. Speak up guys.....what's the matter with ya's???

You never knock back a Command position.

Either the FO's are a bit soft and don't want to leave mum and dad, are in their comfort zone or can't be bothered doing the hard work for a command upgrade.

As one of the previous poster said Hobart or Christchurch isn't third world.
Hobart should have a Harvey Norman store and Gloria jeans coffee shop, Christchurch would at least have TV by now.

Kangaroo Court

A bit over 3 years into my OS stint I was faced with redundancy, as my type was being phased out, or I could choose continued employment on either A330 or 777, on the basis that I paid for my rating (25,000 USD salary sacrafice over 2 years)) but on full MD 80 pay plus per diem, until I qualified.

I choose continued employment and have now spent 8 years flying a delightful machine, the 777. Interestingly, an american colleague of the time stood on his digs spat the dummy and departed back to the states where he spent several years playing keyboard on a 727, ground instructing, and eventually after about 5 years left seat of a 320.

Who do you reckon made the better choice?

My circumstances are not unique. I know of about 20 who made the same choice and probably in excess of 100 who have achieved the same by buying endo's for a specific job. I don't like it , but it is the reality of todays world.

Regards Maui

Re JQ commands... Most FOs have bids in for all bases. Not all FOs have the minimum hours for initial command. In fact, all FOs who have been at JQ for more than 12 months are senior enough for a command but 90% would lack the experience. So, with all these aeroplanes coming the company has been employing a large amount of DECs. A combination of enticement and the fact that some/most are training captains means that they are going to MEL/SYD.
So, its not that nobody wants the command its just that we have to wait until we have 1500 hours on type before we are given the go ahead to start the training process.

Hope this helps!

For you or the greater good?

It's only the reality because we've made it the reality. we are our own worst enemy. :ugh:

D Hav

I'll do a deal with you. I will gurantee you that I will never pay another cent for my own self interests, when you give me a guarantee of 100% solidarity.

BTW Ive got the stripes for protection of the greater good. Or are they scars?

Maui

I think Maui has it right. I, and many like me from THAT year, would never walk past, or over, a pilot with a legitimate right to the endorsement I was offered. But when, as a 40 year union member I am asked to reflect on whether a salary sacrificed 777 endorsement dis-serviced anyone, I have to say a resounding NO. The First Officers I helped train along the way are brothers and sisters, whatever the colour of their passport. And a piece of self-righteous stupidity like refusing to make a small down-payment on my future would have helped them and my life not one bit.

Fact is......somehow, some way every pilot pays for his/her endorsement.

As for Jetstar pilots, they have the sheer joy of waiting less than one handful of years for their command. My time to 4 stripes was measured more in decades. I wish them well.

An airline is a cyclical business, all booms must bust, and so will the quick rides to Command.

"A combination of enticement and the fact that some/most are training captains means that they are going to MEL/SYD."

So Pleats, what sort of "enticements" are we talking about?

So what are the Command Requirements exactly?

1500 hours on Type + ....?

:zzz:

yes, ok, we're here, this should be good. What enticements are there??

The enticement is the MEL or SYD base, thats all.

No Pilot shortage. Just short of the sort of keen young lads with a bit of Turboprop experience in some Aussie or NZ company, for that tends to be the very narrow band from which Australasian Airlines recruit, unless you have a mate somewhere in the system. Experience counts for little. I am 45. 6500 Hrs, 3200 Saab, incident free flying all over the World and no people complaints either. Have decided to come home and think I have found an old turboprop night freighter gig, pays enough to semi retire from Aviation and use my skills elsewhere. Not required by Pacific Blue, Virgin Blue, or Jetconnect and not a word from Jetstar. But a Christchurch base would suit me for the rest of my flying life, 20 years or so. Guess they will bring in a South African instead!:hmm:

Have 7000 hrs 4000 airbus not a word from them either!
Why do we need a bunch of damm yarpies!

Despite the pilot shortage, Jetstar is full (for the moment).. recruitment is on hold for a few months.

As for some of the sky gods out there... get a life fellas, some of you really think your %^&& doesn't stink.

Nicely written by a 5 y.o.

Repeat after me

" I am not smarter than a 5th grader"

( it's a good show to, sad really )