CC- Not sure who Cookie is but there would probably be a reason why he doesn't have a Command yet. There are unfilled Q numbers below me and so his seniority number should not be a factor. Jetstar only insists on the resignation when you become a Captain. As my post said its idealism over pragmatism if you want a Command but can't stand the thought of floating free from the mothership, the same choice applies for paying for the rating.

You don't have to pay for any rating and you can earn good money on good conditions in Qantas but if you want a shot at the LHS you have to have time on your side. At Jetstar while the money and conditions are not as good, the time factor- at the moment-is favourable.

Aviation has demonstrated repeatedly that the window of opportunity can in fact be a career guillotine if you don't get through it in time.

Keg can confirm this but friends in QF have told me that the issue is that Qantas mainline will not release F/O's and S/O's who want to go to JQ

Word is the 6 extra A330's will be on wetlease.

The crew will have very strange accents...

How many new commands in Jetstar in the last 12 months? 80,90,100?
How many new commands in mainline in the last training year? 54. Geez what a huge number for a large pilot group. I haven't had a chance to pull the seniority list and actually work out what the actual new commands forthis year are, as opposed to just changing types are for the next training year. But I wouldn't be suprised if it's radically less after the less than pretty fso detailing next years training. The future is bright, the future is orange.:yuk:

One other point to my earlier post.

QF pilots also dislike the fact that QF pilots been excluded despite the SH contract stating that QF would discuss LCC with us, despite assurances that we'd get a seat at the table before J* even took off on their first service and despite assurances that if a particular EBA got up then we'd be a seat at the table to discuss J* international. The very same pilots who have played a significant part in the 'reputation for safety'- deserved or otherwise- that Simon Westaway bangs on about whenever a journo questions any incident to do with J*.

:mad:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from memory it actually said something like 'QF would discuss a B737 LCC with us'. In other words, there was a whopping great hole there which Geoff drove straight through.


Again, what Geoff actually said was that if the EBA didn't get up, then there was no chance of a seat at the J* International table. Which was of course completely true. It's just that he forgot to say that the same thing would happen if the EBA did get voted up.

The statement was in the preamble to the S/H EBA and it made no mention of any specific type.

Yes and in the aftermath of the cargo price fixing Geoff also said that he expects all business units to work ethically and morally when it comes to the manner in which Qantas does business.

Yep. I remember it being bought up later at a meeting when it hadn't been complied with and they stated the preamble was basically a bit of a feel good statement and held no legal/contractual weight. Machiavelli would be proud. "The situation has changed,.....blah...blah...blah...blah...blah...."

J* Retention Strategies...
 

Did anyone else note in today's "Australian" that AJ is talking up the opporunities in "J* Pacific"? Clearly, the plan is that intended operational similarities will mean junior pilots will be able to promote into J* Pacific LH seats and then, in time, return to Oz. It is "a huge potential retention activity for us long term" says AJ. And, "Joyce also believes the new airline will help Jetstar keep its pilots".

Did J* pilots expect this? DECs right now for Oz basings, and yet any current non-captain's first promo may come via an indefininte Hanoi/Ho Chi Minh basing. Good deal! :yuk:

Of course if any current pilot employee is so ungrateful as to decline such benevolently inspired & considered opportunity then AJ will undoubtedly find alternative sources of suitable pilots. :rolleyes:

CX, QF, EK may not be so bad after all again? Good luck folks. :sad:

"Joyce also believes the new airline will help Jetstar keep its pilots".

Interesting that he is expressing some concern at having to provide opportunities to retain pilots. Its a far cry from the "burn 'em and churn 'em" mentality when J* first started.

Keg- I understand the frustration that mainline pilots have with the lack of opportunity within Jetstar. I experienced something similar when Kendell got the CRJ and unless you had an Airforce background Ansett F/O's didn't get a look in. My pprune user name is not a reflection of my abilities (IMHO) but it was a reflection of where I thought my career was going at the time. I have often said that aviation careers are dictated at board level and the current debate is a perfect illustration of that.

With all this talk of low-cost carriers it's interesting to note at the other end of the spectrum high value/high yield customers are trying to be attracted by other airlines. Qf seems to be hell bent on increasing profits by reducing costs..................what about new products driving more revenue?

A new idea possibly???

From todays Australian

All-business flight
SINGAPORE Airlines's five Airbus A340-500 ultra-long-range aircraft are going all business class on flights to the US. The current two-class, 181-seat arrangement will be replaced with 100 new business-class seats. SIA will be the first to operate an all-business flight on the trans-Pacific route.
ess flight on the trans-Pacific route. :D

Yep, a novel idea?

Well it was a big success for Ozjet wasn't it?

Well, to be clear on it, Ozjet flew a miniscule number of totally clapped-out aeroplanes on said "business only" routes. I'm not sure what they were thinking. You can stick a comfy leather seat in it, but a sh*tbox is still a sh*tbox, and a very limited schedule is still a very limited schedule (not to mention the other facilities at each end, etc, that business people like).

and the winner is?
 

I thought the demise of OZjet was due to poor/lack of marketing? The public don't know any better than an reliable albeit iconic QF 743 now do they?

Spot on Dutch Roll ! :ok:

Must be working for SIA because I couldn't book an economy seat when I wanted it and the Biz class bookings are full. On a wait list months ahead!

And this has ?what? to do with Jetstar Commands??

-Edit- to prevent offending the poster above (International Trader), I would like to clarify that this is aimed at the general thread creep which often occurs and tends to make some threads drag on as the current sub-topic changes. As such it is perhaps more accurately addressed to excellr8 but was brought up to head off the change in topic.

Regarding those with a chip on both shoulders. There are numerous australian pilots working for BA and other British companies. Should these pilots be rounded up and deported , as . after all , they are depriving poms of legitimate commands, and l know of a few who have no right to work in the UK,period. Funny how none of us mind actually!