no...... but I am sure they will publish it.

My source is on the inside.....but not at Boeing Field which is where it was going to land, it departed from the factory in Everett!

J :ok:

Boeing 787 Dreamliner First Flight

Top Right - WEBCAST For T/O & LDG

Well , the test flight news footage looked pretty good to me. Except the engine T/O noise sounded dreadfull- kinda like a Honda nifty fifty motorbike with a hole in the muffler!!!! Reminded me of the sound of the Nazi buzz bombs in WWII !!!!! Surely Boeing can get a better sounding engine than that!!!! :yuk:

Maybe it was the sound of the T33 chase planes you could hear. In which case it probably is WW11 German technology...

Banana Wing ?
 

I've heard of dihedral but that wing looks like a banana ......:}

From the looks it was a RR engine so you might want to talk to the poms but you have to admit that it looks a heck of a lot better than the Airbus 380.:ok:

Why is it every second post compares the 787 to the A380? It is like comparing a panel van to a Mac truck!

I even had someone discussing the fact that the 787 had bigger wing flex than the A380....fancy that! Would it be because the A380 has an extra 2 engines on the outer wing weighing it down? Or the fact that the A380 wing is designed to carry twice the weight of the 787? Dah!

The wing flex is impressive on the 787, very nice to watch, lovely to see it finally in the air...must say, the best flex until now had been on the A330, and it is lovely to see the A330 and 787 flex wings like some overgrown glider or super metal bird itching to get airborne.

Exciting times ahead!

They should stick a pair of RB211s to it.....nothing sounds better....

I hope you are kidding?

First flight of glitches for Dreamliner No. 2
 

Boeing's 787 Dreamliner No. 2 landed safely at Boeing Field after its first test flight, which was marred by minor trouble with the landing gear and brakes

Boeing news | First flight of glitches for Dreamliner No. 2 | Seattle Times Newspaper

Second Boeing 787 Dreamliner Completes First Flight
 

This is the second of six 787s being used in the airplane's flight-test program

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(Everett, Wash., December 22, 2009) -- The second Boeing (NYSE: BA) 787 Dreamliner, ZA002, completed its first flight today. The all-new airplane, which features the livery of the Dreamliner's launch customer, ANA (All Nippon Airways) of Japan, took off from Paine Field in Everett, completed a two-hour flight and landed at Boeing Field in Seattle.

"We are delighted that the second Dreamliner is in the livery of our launch customer, ANA," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of the 787 program. "We are honored by the airline's support and look forward to delivering ANA the first production airplane next year."

Captain Randy Neville was at the controls for the flight, with Chief Pilot Mike Carriker operating as co-pilot. Neville and Carriker took the airplane to an altitude of 13,000 feet (3,962 m) and an airspeed of 200 knots, or about 230 miles (370 km) per hour. The airplane took off at 9:09 a.m. PST and landed at 11:10 a.m. PST.

This is the second of six 787s being used in the airplane's flight-test program. Each of the airplanes will be used for a specific set of tests, with this airplane focusing on systems performance. Like its predecessor, ZA001, the airplane is powered by two Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engines.

"We would like to convey our sincere congratulations to the Boeing team for its achievement of this milestone, and we look forward to the delivery into our fleet next year," said Shinichiro Ito, president and CEO of ANA.

Source : The Boeing Company (NYSE: BA)

JetPhotos.Net Photo » N787EX (CN: 40691) All Nippon Airways (ANA) Boeing 787-881 Dreamliner by Joe G. Walker

Boeing ponders future of 787-3

4:00 AM Monday Jan 11, 2010

CHICAGO - Boeing is re-evaluating plans for a short-range version of its 787 airplane after the sole airline with pending orders went with other Boeing models instead.
Randy Tinseth, vice-president of marketing for Boeing's commercial airplanes division, wrote in a company blog that Boeing will "continue to assess the market viability" of the 787-3, a model that Boeing describes as a "super-efficient airplane" aimed at the middle of the market. Boeing said the plane used 20 per cent less fuel than other planes of its size, and seats 290 to 330 passengers and had a range of 4600 to 5612km.
Boeing has poured billions of dollars into developing the family of 787 jetliners, which feature radical departures from other planes in design to make the planes quieter, lighter and less fuel-thirsty. The initial flight of a 787 took place last month, two years behind schedule as the programme has been plagued by parts problems and delays.
The move to rethink the 787-3's future comes after Japan's All Nippon Airways converted its 787-3 orders into other models, a decision that left Boeing, based in Chicago, with no orders left for the plane in the company's backlog, Tinseth said.
Other models in the Boeing 787 family include the 787-8, which can carry 210 to 250 passengers with a range of 14,076 to 15,088km, and the 787-9, which can carry 250 to 290 passengers with a range of 14,720 to 15,640km.

-AP
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B748 first flight today - we hope!
 

This thread has been a combination of 787 and the 747-8 so I figure its newsworthy enough to put this back up.

This morning our time was scheduled to be the first flight of the newest generation 747 from Everett. However just like Melbourne, you cant trust the weather and as of an hour ago she was waiting for the cloud base to rise.

If I get any video or pics, I will do my best to post them.

J:ok:

I am sure the media and others will provide better eventually, but here she goes!



J:ok:

There's a live webcast of the landing in about 25 minutes from now.

Boeing 747-8 Freighter First Flight

The Queen of the Skies lives on! The GEnx-2B engines are said to make the aircraft 17% more fuel efficient than the -400 series (ref the Boeing web site). I'm wondering what would prevent the same engines being installed as an upgrade on the -400 series. Also the scalloping on the engines (also noted on the 787) at the business end is interesting - I'd be interested to learn its purpose.
Cheers
dghob

"Scalloped" engines
 

I think Boeing call them "chevrons", but they're supposed to make the engines quieter. Well, less noisy, anyway!:)

Shhhh

an3_bolt,

I take it you're not a fan of the Rollers?

Roller Fan?
 

The Rolls engines are nearly a tonne heavier than the GE's. While the Vmcg is lower, their performance in the climb above mach transition is considerably less than the GE's. They take 5 minutes to warm up (3 for the GE), so for short taxi times like LA for 24L, the warm up time can be a limitation for departure (if the cabin crew are fast enough). The residual thrust is less (so on flare I always retard the levers at 30ft for the Rolls) c.f. 50 ft for the GE's, and as it is company policy to shut down 2 engines on arrival after the mandatory cool down period, the Rolls always requires more than idle thrust to keep the aircraft moving. Plus they whine like a bunch of Poms on a Seven's holiday.
Give me GE's anyday!

Sounds like you need to fly a B777!

400R, your figures are a little exaggerated. If you are talking about comparing the RB211-524 in comparison to the CF6, the weight difference is significantly less than a tonne (the -T mod reduced the weight as well as lowering fuel consumption) but more importantly, the engine "hot section" lasts more than 2 times longer than the GE - the difference is so large that GE has been doing a lot of research into extending the life of their "hot section" and a mod has recently been released (although this will still not be as effective as the -T mod). The slower decay of the "hot section" on the RR results in better fuel consumption figures which more than offsets the weight difference.

If you want to look at higher thrust engines as on the B777-200ER/300 which I believe are in the 95-98,000lb thrust class, the GE90 engine is more than 2 tonnes heavier than the RR Trent, so it appears that the 3 spool design becomes more effective at higher thrusts.

You obviously have a different flare technique to me and I find the Roller a much easier aircraft to get consistent landings. The higher residual thrust of the GE's tend to cause longer landings unless you use the half flare & freeze technique. Taxiing the RR aircraft at 15-18 knots does not require more than idle thrust but if you dawdle around at 8 knots, then you have to apply additional thrust. The high idle thrust of the GE does cause significantly more use of the brakes which is not ideal.

The GE is a great engine wrt its faster starting and better acceleration but talking to a number of LAME's the RR is machined to a higher standard.

Getting back to the thread, it's hard to do any comparison on the B787 engines at this stage as both engines are significantly different due to there being no requirement for huge quantities of bleed air. Qantas selected the GENx engine over the RR Trent 1000 but I recall Peter Gregg saying at the time that there was very little difference between the engines.

Boeing says 787 testing going well

11:00 AM Wednesday Mar 10, 2010

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Boeing is putting its new 787 through an aggressive flight-testing schedule, with the fourth plane set to begin test flights on Sunday.
Boeing is aiming to deliver the plane to its first customer by the end of this year. By midyear it is aiming to fly six planes a total of 90 hours per week, Jim Albaugh, chief executive of Boeing's commercial airplane division, told analysts on Tuesday.
Albaugh said the testing so far has included more than 100 stalls, some practice with an engine off, and a dive that brought it to Mach .97, close to the speed of sound.
He said the testing program got off to a slow start after the plane first flew in December. But there is one month to six weeks extra built into the testing schedule in case of other delays, he said.Boeing also plans to do more testing on each flight. By the end of March it expects to have the government approval it needs to bring engineers and officials from the Federal Aviation Administration on the test flights, he said. "Everybody felt very euphoric over the first flight, and it did retire a significant amount of technical risk," he said, "but we've got a very aggressive flight test program in front of us."
Air New Zealand is the launch customer for the larger version of the plane, the 787-9, which was due to be delivered this year. The airline will now have to wait until 2013 before it gets the first of its eight planes on order.
Boeing needs to produce 787s faster than it has any other large plane. Albaugh said its peak for large plane production was 92 of its then-new 747 in 1970.
By 2013 it hopes to make 120 787s per year, or 10 per month. Right now Boeing is making two per month, and should be up to two-and-a-half by August, Albaugh said.
Boeing's workhorse, the 737, faces increased competition. Right now Boeing basically has a duopoly with Airbus for planes that seat 126 to 149 people. But Bombardier, which mostly makes smaller jets, is developing a new plane called the CS300 which will seat 138 people as configured by Republic Airways in an order last month. That's comparable to the 737.
Albaugh said Boeing is thinking about putting a new engine on the 737 to make it competitive with newer planes. He said he expects a decision on that near the end of the year. Albaugh also said airline traffic is beginning to improve. "We think we'll see the airlines come back into the market in 2012," he said.

Boeing 787 Begins 1st Flight-Test Operations Outside of Washington
 

This marks the beginning of the first flight-test operations outside of Washington state for the program
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(Victorville, Calif., March 9, 2010) -- The second Boeing (NYSE: BA) 787 Dreamliner, ZA002, landed at 10:53 a.m. local time today in Victorville, Calif. This marks the beginning of the first flight-test operations outside of Washington state for the program.

The airplane will be stationed at Victorville for approximately three weeks. The crew will conduct ground effects testing among other activities.

During ground effects testing, the pilots fly the airplane very close to the runway to gather data regarding the aerodynamic effects and performance of the airplane during the takeoff and landing phases of flight. Quantifying this performance is part of the certification requirements for all new airplanes.

"Victorville's airfield is the former George Air Force Base," said Randy Neville, chief pilot for ZA002. "There is ample ramp space for parking and plenty of on-site facilities. There is a long runway and plenty of level, clear land along the approach to the runway. We can operate there without disrupting air traffic control or other commercial aircraft."

A crew of more than 150 employees will be stationed at Victorville while the airplane is there. These include the flight test engineers and support personnel required to prepare the airplane for each day's flights and to monitor performance and test equipment.

"Our confidence in the reliability of this airplane grows day by day," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of the 787 program. "Taking the airplane out of state for the first time is a big step, but one we're ready for."

Victorville
 

... and they can always just leave it there if it doesn't work...

Don't get up, I'll see myself out

...or swap it for a couple of 767's and 747's recently parked there....

Fourth B787 flies
 

Item by australianaviation.com.au on March 15, 2010 11:36 am

ZA003 flies. (Boeing)
The fourth Boeing 787 to join the flight test program, ZA003 N787BX, made its first flight from Everett’s Paine Field on March 14.
Captains Ray Craig and Mike Bryan were at the controls of ZA003 for the three hour, six minute flight, which took off from Paine Field at 10:55am local time and landed at Boeing Field, Seattle, at 2:01pm.
ZA003 is fitted with a partial passenger interior, and will be used to demonstrate that the 787’s interior meets certification requirements. Boeing says ZA003 will also be used for systems, noise, flightdeck operations, avionics, electromagnetic effect, high intensity radion frequency response and ETOPS testing.
ZA003 is the last of four Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 powered 787 flight test aircraft to fly. Two further General Electric GEnx powered 787s (ZA005 and ZA006) will also join the flight test program.
To date all four flying 787s have accumulated 288 flying hours on 96 flight tests. ZA001 has flown 57 times, ZA002 37 times, and ZA004 and now ZA003 once each.

Boeing Completes Ultimate-Load Wing Test on 787
 

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The initial results of the ultimate-load test are positive. More extensive analysis and review are required before the test can be deemed a success

(Everett, Wash., March 28, 2010) -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) today completed the ultimate-load wing up-bending test on the 787 Dreamliner static test unit. During the testing, loads were applied to the airframe to replicate 150 percent of the most extreme forces the airplane is ever expected to experience while in service. The wings were flexed upward by approximately 25 feet (7.6 meters) during the test.

The initial results of the ultimate-load test are positive. More extensive analysis and review are required before the test can be deemed a success.

"The test program has been more robust than any conducted on a Boeing commercial jetliner," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of the 787 program, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "It has taken countless hours of hard work by the Boeing team and our partners to work through the static test program. Everyone who has been involved in this effort over the past several years should be very proud of their contributions to ensuring the safety of the 787 Dreamliner.

"We are looking forward to the technical team's report on the details of the test results," said Fancher. It will take them several weeks to work through all of the data.

During each second of the more than two-hour test, thousands of data points were collected to monitor the performance of the wing. Key data points are monitored real-time during the test, but all of the data will be evaluated in the weeks ahead.

787 Dreamliner Background

The 787 Dreamliner is an all-new twinjet designed to meet the needs of airlines around the world in providing nonstop service between mid-size cities with new levels of efficiency. The airplane will bring improved levels of comfort to passengers with larger windows, bigger baggage bins and advances in the cabin environment, including lower cabin altitude, higher humidity and cleaner air. Delivery of the first 787 is planned for the fourth quarter of 2010.

Source : The Boeing Company (NYSE: BA)

It would be interesting to know what equivalent 'G' loading that amount of wing deflection represents. I'd hazard a guess and say it is probably not achieveable and even if it was would not be surviveable.

Anyone got any idea?

Regards,
BH.

Looks like the stretch version may be back in consideration . . . from today's Airline Transport World.

Boeing Confirms Success on 787 Wing, Fuselage Ultimate Load Test
 

(Everett, Wash., April 7, 2010) -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) announced today that all test requirements were successfully met during the 787 Dreamliner's ultimate load wing and fuselage bending test. This follows a thorough analysis of the results from a test on the 787 static test airframe.

"Successfully completing this test is a critical step in the certification of the 787. This is further validation that the 787 performs as expected, even in the most extreme circumstances," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of the 787 program for Boeing Commercial Airplanes.

On March 28, loads were applied to the test unit to replicate 150 percent of the most extreme forces the airplane is ever expected to experience while in service. The wings were flexed upward by approximately 25 feet (7.6 meters) during the test and the fuselage was pressurized to 150 percent of its maximum normal operating condition.

In evaluating the success criteria for the test, Boeing specialists have been poring over the thousands of data points collected during the test to ensure that all parts of the airplane performed as expected.

"The airframe performed as designed and retained the required structural integrity. These results continue to validate the design of the 787 as we move toward certification," explained Fancher.
Source : The Boeing Company (NYSE: BA)

YES,get it quickly
 

then sort out all expected bugs ending up with more delyas, cancelled flights and bad PR. good one joicy:=

RB211's
 

Oh Pleeze. U sound just like one of our deranged ex-flight engineers....

RB211's
 

Maybe I spent too many years in the Airforce flying Rolls powered rubbish. Perhaps too many years in the A/F and AirNZ doing the same. Just seems funny we have less probs with the CF6 (in-flight) than the RB211. But I'm not a vagineer. I just turnem' and burnem....

Too many years in the Air Force flying RR rubbish?

But I thought you said that;

Curious as to what RR aircraft you flew for "years" in the Air Force that gave you "960 hours (mostly multi IR)" in '88?

He may mean "Allison" engines which became a subsidiary of Rolls Royce some years later (1995). That would make him either a Trash-hauler or a Fish-head. :)

The only other RNZAF aircraft that I can think of that use RR engines are the MB339C and the B757 but they came after 1988.

F27
 

Mommy, Mommy... he's calling me names....:{:{

Boeing 787 Flight-Test Program Progressing
 

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The U.S. FAA granted Boeing expanded type inspection authorization (TIA) today

(Everett, Wash., April 20, 2010) -- The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) granted Boeing (NYSE: BA) expanded type inspection authorization (TIA) today, clearing the way for its personnel to fully participate in future test flights and for the collection of required flight-test data. Initial TIA was granted Feb. 11, which supported the collection of flutter certification data.

The expanded TIA marks the FAA's confirmation that the airplane and team are ready to collect additional certification data. Boeing achieved the expansion by demonstrating the readiness of the airplane throughout a variety of speeds, altitudes and configurations.

"This TIA expansion is another significant step toward delivering airplanes to our customers. We remain on track to deliver the first airplane to ANA this year," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of the 787 program, Commercial Airplanes.

In addition to receiving expanded TIA, Boeing finalized the aerodynamic configuration of the 787.

"We have completed sufficient testing to decide that no additional changes to the external lines or shape of the airplane are required," said Fancher. "Having an airplane match its expected performance with so few changes is rare and speaks to the maturity of the design."

The 787 flight-test fleet logged its 500th hour of flying April 16. On Sunday, ZA003, the flight-test airplane outfitted with interior elements, landed in Florida, where it will go through extreme weather testing at McKinley Climatic Laboratory at Eglin Air Force Base.

Source : The Boeing Company (NYSE: BA)

Boeing Completes First 787 GEnx Engine Runs
 

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(Everett, Wash., May 12, 2010) -- The first General Electric GEnx engines on a Boeing (NYSE: BA) 787 Dreamliner came to life Monday with initial engine starts. Customers can choose between the GEnx engines and the Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engines to power their 787s.

"This is another exciting step in our progress on the 787 test program," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of the 787 Program, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "Our partners at GE have worked diligently to ensure their engines are ready for the testing that is going to occur both before first flight of ZA005 and throughout the flight test program."

Source : The Boeing Company (NYSE: BA)

ANA Pilots 1st Customer Crew to Fly Boeing 787 Dreamliner

(Seattle, May 13, 2010) -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) and two ANA (All Nippon Airways) pilots flew the Boeing 787 Dreamliner for the first time Wednesday. The airplane they flew is the first of six flight-test airplanes. The two-hour-and-40-minute flight took place over Washington state.

Flying the 787 for the first time were ANA pilots Capt. Masayuki Ishii, director of 787 pre-operations planning, and Capt. Masami Tsukamoto, manager of 787 pre-operations pilots. On board were Capt. Mike Carriker, Boeing 787 chief test pilot, Capt. Christine Walsh and Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of the 787 program, Boeing Commercial Airplanes.

"The flight was a customer demonstration for our launch customer's lead pilots to evaluate the 787," said Fancher. "We are extremely proud to have ANA on the flight, and have the opportunity to show what a great airplane the men and women of Boeing have created."

The flight was conducted under a special airworthiness certificate granted by the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration.

The 787 program was launched in April 2004 with a record order of 50 787's from ANA. ANA, which plays an active role as launch customer, is scheduled to take the first 787 delivery in the fourth quarter 2010.

During the flight, both pilots performed multiple takeoffs and landings as well as other maneuvers that allowed them to feel the airplane's characteristics. The pilots also gained experience with other 787 flight-deck features, including larger display screens, dual head-up displays and dual electronic flight bag.

"It was fantastic and an incredible experience," said Capt. Ishii. "ANA passengers are in for an incredible experience when they fly on the 787," he said.

"The flight was fantastic," said Capt. Tsukamoto. "I've been waiting for this day since we made the launch order, and today my dream came true."

During the flight, Carriker showed the ANA pilots, who are both rated on the Boeing 777, the similarities and differences between the two airplanes. Pending regulator approval, it will take as few as five days of training for 777 pilots to become qualified as 787 pilots.

Source : The Boeing Company (NYSE: BA)

Pity Qantas never ordered the 777. Will the Qantas/Jetstar 787 crews come from those with previous Boeing experience only or will the current Airbus crews get a look in as well?

And when will a 787 simulator be available to commence training of crews?