Merged: Boeing Revises 787 First Flight and Delivery Plans- Again
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Jetstar's European holiday grounded by late Dreamliner
JETSTAR'S foray into Europe looks set to be deferred to 2010, with Boeing expected today to announce more delays to its 787 Dreamliner project.
The aviation giant is scheduled to give an update on the problem-plagued project today, in which experts are tipping up to nine-month delays.
Deliveries have been delayed twice, due largely to a global shortage of fasteners. If the predictions are accurate, the third wave of delays will ensure the project is up to 18 months behind schedule, pushing it perilously close to the extended delays experienced by Airbus with its A380 project. Qantas has 65 orders for the aircraft, plus 50 options and purchase rights.
The first deliveries will be handed to Jetstar to launch its much-awaited flights into southern Europe, taking up the routes that Qantas has withdrawn from in recent years.
The budget airline was expected to accept its first of 15 Dreamliners in May 2009, ensuring a nine-month delay would push delivery into 2010.
Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation believe the delays are inevitable.
"Boeing is preparing to announce this week what is expected to be a third delay to the B787 program. The manufacturer previously stated it would announce a new delivery schedule either early this month or on April 23 when it reports first-quarter earnings," CAPA's report said yesterday
The aviation giant is scheduled to give an update on the problem-plagued project today, in which experts are tipping up to nine-month delays.
Deliveries have been delayed twice, due largely to a global shortage of fasteners. If the predictions are accurate, the third wave of delays will ensure the project is up to 18 months behind schedule, pushing it perilously close to the extended delays experienced by Airbus with its A380 project. Qantas has 65 orders for the aircraft, plus 50 options and purchase rights.
The first deliveries will be handed to Jetstar to launch its much-awaited flights into southern Europe, taking up the routes that Qantas has withdrawn from in recent years.
The budget airline was expected to accept its first of 15 Dreamliners in May 2009, ensuring a nine-month delay would push delivery into 2010.
Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation believe the delays are inevitable.
"Boeing is preparing to announce this week what is expected to be a third delay to the B787 program. The manufacturer previously stated it would announce a new delivery schedule either early this month or on April 23 when it reports first-quarter earnings," CAPA's report said yesterday
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Qantas need new aircraft like yesterday!
The 767, 744 are in bad need of replacement not just a coat of paint and the issue cannot wait until the 787 comes online!
The A380 is not going to remedy the product it is going to exacerbate it! Try having all the bells and whistles on one aircraft and the tired old cabin everywhere else.
If this delay keeps going the only way for GD's team to keep the consumer happy will mean Qantas get the 787's first and refresh the product before it's too late.
The impending slowdown will justify this as existing capacity will be maintained by replacing old aircraft.
The only barrier is ego. A backflip on the JQ juggernaught will not be palatable to some up high!
The 767, 744 are in bad need of replacement not just a coat of paint and the issue cannot wait until the 787 comes online!
The A380 is not going to remedy the product it is going to exacerbate it! Try having all the bells and whistles on one aircraft and the tired old cabin everywhere else.
If this delay keeps going the only way for GD's team to keep the consumer happy will mean Qantas get the 787's first and refresh the product before it's too late.
The impending slowdown will justify this as existing capacity will be maintained by replacing old aircraft.
The only barrier is ego. A backflip on the JQ juggernaught will not be palatable to some up high!
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Wingspar is of course right. The Qantas Group does need new aircraft yesterday. The sooner the highest growth and most profitable areas get new 250-350 seat aircraft the better. This will no doubt redress the balance on Australia-Europe routes where as other threads have noted, legacy carriers have been in retreat for years.
I am sure AIPA will totally support any and all arrangements necessary for these new planes to be flown efficiently and flexibly as part of the new paradigms necessary for success in the years ahead, fearlessly casting aside the prejudices, ideology and habits of the past.
I am sure AIPA will totally support any and all arrangements necessary for these new planes to be flown efficiently and flexibly as part of the new paradigms necessary for success in the years ahead, fearlessly casting aside the prejudices, ideology and habits of the past.
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The betting at the moment is for Boeing to supply wetleased B777's to Jetstar... that will keep you happy won't it Genex? Someone else doing Jetstar's flying for them...?
As for the rest of you, the A380's will be coming to QF. Stop your wetdreaming... you are making a mess...
As for the rest of you, the A380's will be coming to QF. Stop your wetdreaming... you are making a mess...
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Why do we need new A/C in the first place? Are the current ones unairworthy? I doubt it. The main reason for new A/C is to please the ever increasing numbers of travelling public. Keep the old birds (we in GA have to) & make the ticket prices reflect the equipment level. I reckon that the travelling public only expect new planes because the hipe is so constant & in yr face. The constant delays of new A/C type show one thing, where simply not ready!
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Seriously doubt anyone really has a wet dream about the A380. But logically it probably should go to the prime QF routes SYD-LHR, SYD-NRT and SYD-LAX. Thats still a lot of jobs for the mainline pilots.
And Captain Wally has a point. Well maintained older a/c overall are a good investment. Its not like they're 727s or DC-10s. The 767-300 is still a great ship as is the 744. The big issue is that there's just not enough of them right now.
And....... no-one wants wet-leased a/c do they? I wouldn't if it affected me.
And Captain Wally has a point. Well maintained older a/c overall are a good investment. Its not like they're 727s or DC-10s. The 767-300 is still a great ship as is the 744. The big issue is that there's just not enough of them right now.
And....... no-one wants wet-leased a/c do they? I wouldn't if it affected me.
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Capt. Wally, with reference your quote, "The main reason for new aircraft is to please the ever increasing numbers of traveling public ."
We would not want to give the customers what they want now, would we? Surely QF/LQ needs to try and be one step ahead of the competition.
I am no fan of QF by any means, but unless they keep the Middle East carriers on their toes, QF/JQ will in deed be like GA....struggling with out dated and inefficient equipment costing huge amounts to keep in the air.
We would not want to give the customers what they want now, would we? Surely QF/LQ needs to try and be one step ahead of the competition.
I am no fan of QF by any means, but unless they keep the Middle East carriers on their toes, QF/JQ will in deed be like GA....struggling with out dated and inefficient equipment costing huge amounts to keep in the air.
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Merged: Boeing Revises 787 First Flight and Delivery Plans- Again
From the boeing website
"First flight of the all-new airplane will move into the fourth quarter of this year rather than the end of the second quarter, and first delivery is now planned for the third quarter of 2009 instead of first quarter"
Also of interest for Air NZ
"the program has changed the timing of the introduction of two 787 derivatives. The 787-9, a larger variant of the airplane, will be the first derivative of the baseline 787 with delivery planned for early 2012. The 787-3, a shorter-range model previously slated to deliver in 2010, will now become the second derivative of the airplane family"
Im guessing we will see the 767 around for a little while longer yet at Airnz. Although I suspect they already new that, hence the reason for upgrading the IFE in the 767 and airbus fleet. Must also be the same case for Qantas/Jetstar.
"First flight of the all-new airplane will move into the fourth quarter of this year rather than the end of the second quarter, and first delivery is now planned for the third quarter of 2009 instead of first quarter"
Also of interest for Air NZ
"the program has changed the timing of the introduction of two 787 derivatives. The 787-9, a larger variant of the airplane, will be the first derivative of the baseline 787 with delivery planned for early 2012. The 787-3, a shorter-range model previously slated to deliver in 2010, will now become the second derivative of the airplane family"
Im guessing we will see the 767 around for a little while longer yet at Airnz. Although I suspect they already new that, hence the reason for upgrading the IFE in the 767 and airbus fleet. Must also be the same case for Qantas/Jetstar.
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deferred to 2010
experts are tipping up to nine-month delays
the third wave of delays will ensure the project is up to 18 months behind schedule
ensuring a nine-month delay
18 months from now is late 2010, and from memory Jet* were not the launch customer...............2011 anybody
Yes it's true I'm afraid... 
http://www.asx.com.au/asx/statistics...issuerCode=QAN
Maybe now JQ can just keep all the A330s and the 787s can all go to QF when they eventually turn up.
http://www.asx.com.au/asx/statistics...issuerCode=QAN
Maybe now JQ can just keep all the A330s and the 787s can all go to QF when they eventually turn up.
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Yes it's true I'm afraid...
I'm afraid.
Maybe now JQ can just keep all the A330s and the 787s can all go to QF when they eventually turn up.
Transition. Maybe one day when u can get your out of the sand u could learn how to handle the big jets instead of dreaming about them.
I'm afraid.
Maybe now JQ can just keep all the A330s and the 787s can all go to QF when they eventually turn up.
Transition. Maybe one day when u can get your out of the sand u could learn how to handle the big jets instead of dreaming about them.
De Ja...
Spot on!
GD is now reactive and the whole mess is starting to unravel. Resource management is now being truly tested! Actually I don't think GD knows how critical the situation is. Margins have been reduced so much with the sustainable future program that there is no slack to take in these delays.
How is Jetstar going to train and crew these additional aircraft? What and when is sim time available?
Plenty of questions and no answers!
Spot on!
GD is now reactive and the whole mess is starting to unravel. Resource management is now being truly tested! Actually I don't think GD knows how critical the situation is. Margins have been reduced so much with the sustainable future program that there is no slack to take in these delays.
How is Jetstar going to train and crew these additional aircraft? What and when is sim time available?
Plenty of questions and no answers!
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QF have apparently stopped transfers off the 330. Could be QF crew, being paid QF rates, operating JQ flight numbers