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Rex suspends maryborough services too
http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/2007110...lxndzhblwk.pdf
But it is STILL not REX's fault! it is all the other nasty airlines who don't have their own pilots. to quote the WIGGLES .... "WAKE UP GEOFF!" |
Media Release
5 November 2007 REX ANNOUNCES SUSPENSION OF MARYBOROUGH SERVICES DUE TO PILOT SHORTAGE Australia’s largest independent regional airline, Regional Express (Rex) today announced the suspension until March 2008 of its recently commenced Brisbane – Maryborough services due to on-going pilot shortages. Rex Managing Director Geoff Breust said, “We are extremely disappointed that we have had to take this drastic action given our major commitment to the new Maryborough service and the great support received from the Maryborough City Council, Brisbane Airport, the Queensland Government and of course our customers. “However, given the pilot shortage, we are faced with the choice of suspending some of our regular services to build up a reserve buffer or cancelling ad hoc flights each time a pilot calls in sick. We believe that the former is the more responsible course of action and provides greater certainty to our customers. Rex has traditionally been the airline with the lowest cancellation rates in Australia and we intend for it to remain that way even in these very trying circumstances. “This suspension is the result of a network review to identify the routes that have the lowest load factors so as to inconvenience the least number of regional travellers and follows similar initiatives that we have undertaken on the Cooma and Wagga Wagga services in New South Wales. We do not foresee any further suspension of services but we will monitor the situation very closely,” said Mr Breust. Giving further details of its pilot situation, Mr Breust said, “Rex has the full complement of pilots for its flying schedule but 15% of them are in the final stages of their two month ground school and simulator training. These pilots will progressively join Rex’s flying ranks between now and Christmas. This has resulted in a thinning out of our normal pool of reserve crews to meet contingencies like last minute illnesses. “The shortage of pilots has even been described by the chief pilot of Qantas as being even more catastrophic than the collapse of Ansett and obviously we and all other airlines are badly hit. However at Rex we are confident that the problem will be only a temporary set back. To date, we have over 700 applicants for our pilot cadet scheme and the first batch of 20 selected candidates will commence their 32 weeks of training at the Rex pilot academy on 10th December 2007. The first few intakes will be exclusively for Rex cadets before the Academy is opened to private students and cadets from other domestic or foreign airlines. “We call on the other major airlines in Australia to train their own pilots instead of simply poaching massively from the regional airlines and the pilot training schools. So far, besides Rex, only Qantas seems to have made any plans in this direction,” said Mr Breust. The Brisbane to Maryborough services have been suspended as from today and will resume from Sunday 16 March 2008. All passengers holding reservations for travel are requested to contact the Rex Customer Contact Centre on 13 17 13. Flights can be held in credit and used for travel beyond the 16 March 2008, or alternatively a full refund will be provided. Rex is Australia’s largest independent regional airline operating a fleet of 35 Saab 340 aircraft on 1,300 flights weekly to 25 destinations from Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide and Brisbane. The Rex Group of companies comprises of Regional Express, air freight and charter operator Pel – Air Aviation and Dubbo based regional airline, Air Link. - Terrible state of affairs..... share price has taken a tumble today.... |
Everyone's share prices have taken a tumble today but yes, 5% is probably worse than most others! :ok: :}
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"poaching", is this bloke serious??
I have to laugh at this comment, does he know where his pilots are coming from?? I guess whats good for the goose is good for the gander as long as you dont ask about it! I think a better term would be progression, but hey, let the "poaching" continue until they realise that until T&C's are improved nothing will stop them. Just out of curiosity does anyone know what the bonds being applied to the guys/girls doing the rex cadet scheme? Will that stop them walking after a few years............ Hope that it works out for the employee's of REX, it would be a shame for the worst to happen |
“We call on the other major airlines in Australia to train their own pilots instead of simply poaching massively from the regional airlines and the pilot training schools. So far, besides Rex, only Qantas seems to have made any plans in this direction,” said Mr Breust. Poaching may be minimised by the making of a counter-offer by the current employer to prevent the employee leaving. It happens all the time in the IT industry, but never in the airlines.:hmm: |
Reckon the airlines will stop "poaching" REX pilots about the same time REX stops "poaching" pilots from the GA operators who operate the Kingairs, Navajos, 402's, Barons etc etc.
So REX/Mr Breust when will you show leadership by action and cease poaching other operators pilots?? |
Viable Routes
Call me a cynic if you like but is there a possibility that the routes REX are withdrawing from are not profitable and very politically sensitive?
Does the "Pilot Shortage" provide some cover when REX are inevitably questioned by State and Regional Local Governments as to why they are choosing to withdraw from certain routes? Perhaps those in the know can enlighten the rest. |
I reckon a chartered C208 would fill the gap.......:}
When does charter become RPT.....thats not been tested before in Qld now has it???:suspect: |
GaryGnu
Call me a cynic if you like but is there a possibility that the routes REX are withdrawing from are not profitable and very politically sensitive? FACTS:
Hmmmmm. Anyone care to comment? |
GaryGnu, I think you may be on to something here, like many others on this site i know well qualified pilots who Rex will not even look at.
As a share holder I would be asking questions at the next AGM. Something just does not add up!:confused: |
Just saw the leading stories for Sydney's Channel 10 5pm news.
The Rex pilot shortage is headlining. Should be interesting.. |
Yes, there would be a political argument to stop these routes during the election.
Also, they keep using the word "Poach", this too has political overtones especially with the ACCC. If it can be shown that a competitor, QF, Virgin, Porn* etc are forcing you out of business by "Paoching" all your qualified staff, their may be recompence through the ACCC. We live in interesting times |
Rex pilots being poached ha ha
About time GB started to question his magnificent pilot management staff ie CH & MN,
A large number of his senior pilots just had a gutfull of their b******t and have retired early. They are too old to be of interest to the majors but would have been willing and able to continue in REX if GB would just get rid of the second rate management pilots and that includes a few of those check and training types who have been there too long. When will minor airlines like REX learn that they do need experience, these new trainees will not be ready for commands for years, REX needs captains now. Extract the diget Geoff, those management pilots you have are wrecking what used to be a good little airline, get rid of the dead-wood up top and it might go some way to retaining experienced pilots, then add a realistic pay packet or you'll loose the lot. |
Xr dont seem to have problems with retaining their crews, me thinks it might have something to do with T&C's.
JarJar |
When does one person's career ladder (GA-Regional-Mainline) become another person's game reserve?
Whether it's by poaching or natural migration, the cream will eventually rise to the top! If the local companies tried to prevent that process, they would merely be inviting pilots to emigrate. Welcome to the cause and effect relationship of market economics, Geoff. |
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"the cream will always rise to the top" ????
Sounds like arrogance to me. Who can establish where the top is? |
“This suspension is the result of a network review to identify the routes that have the lowest load factors so as to inconvenience the least number of regional travellers and follows similar initiatives that we have undertaken on the Cooma and Wagga Wagga services in New South Wales. We do not foresee any further suspension of services but we will monitor the situation very closely,” I also like their use of the word "initiative" here. In my book, taking initiative would indicate some measure designed to get the organisation back on the attack. Sorry, but cancelling services simply doesn't qualify under this banner. The last sentence could be more simply stated as "we won't cancel anything else unless we have to". Comforting. I wonder whether the other regional carriers have started to notice an influx of customers who would normally travel with Rex, but who would prefer a degree of certainty in their plans. Once that happens, watch the incipient become an unstable spin! Two cents poorer, Icarus |
"I reckon a chartered C208 would fill the gap.......:}
way ahead of ya there.but not with a 208 Bizz |
Why doesn’t REX just speak the truth! The numbers on BNE-MBH do not and will not support a Saab. Every other operator has linked MBH/HVB; it’s the only way to make it work. MBH alone has always been low numbers and mostly business traffic.
So what happens to the REX pilots who have just moved to BNE? |
Another route bites the dust!
In my previous posts on the REX canels Cooma service thread, i made a few points of view from my experiences of which Shapeshifter took it upon himself to carefully choose a few of - twist them - give it a shake and shift them - then try to make himself look all cool by stating that their recruitment team got it right when they knocked me back! Problem is Shapeshifter - unless they had a crystal ball prior to and during my interview, they wouldn't have possibly known that i was to convey my own experiences about them - because, i hadn't actually experienced them up to that point. Shapeshifter - you are probably a REX pilot that is trying to defend the indefensible! Poor you. Main points being that they are disorganised, cannot understand why their pilots are leaving in droves, cry fowl falsely and mask it as a massive pilot shortage (in the hope that Government listen and open the migration floodgates and hence keep wages and conditions at an all time LOW!) when this is not the true case! You and GB do not realise, or are dumb or stupid - that when his pilots call in sick at the last minute, they are actually attending job interviews with other airlines. He needs to wake up and realise that he would not be in this position if he had better T's&C's. Pilots are leaving REX in bigger numbers first because they have the WORST pay and conditions compared to other regionals in their calibre. Unfortunately for me at my experience level, REX was just another entity at which i would have to apply - to get the experience, to climb the ladder. Fortunately for me however, i did not place all my eggs into one basket, secondly i was rejected by REX and thirdly - i was accepted into QF Link for their course the following week. BTW - read GoNorth's post about the pay after 10K for endorsement Shapeshifter. Learn from this. And next time you think about writing real drivel, think twice about the 'KNOB' factor and how one perceives you. Bo! |
So what happens to the REX pilots who have just moved to BNE?
as posted by F111? Anybody shed some light on this????? GG |
They have been moved to other ports.
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Rex Management
I predict your next move will be a bleating, plea to the government about allowing a pilot migration program. How can you stop the poaching otherwise! The cadets will come,but too late. |
Go Geoff!!!
Just think Geoff..... In just 32 weeks, maybe less for a really good student, you could be a pilot too. You could get everyone at management to do it and your problem would be solved!!!!!!
P.S. I take cash for consulting. |
Harden up and dry your eyes
Gotta love the emotional blackmail:
each time a pilot calls in sick I've said it before and I'll say it again: Treat people properly and they will not only stay but bend over backwards for you. “We call on the other major airlines in Australia to train their own pilots instead of simply poaching massively from the regional airlines and the pilot training schools. Do you think your competitors are running a charity my friend? Seriously, you think this is bad? Just wait till those VB EJets are belting around the countryside at 73 speeds. The game is won by retaining staff not hiring and training. Make no mistake. |
This is merely the tip of the iceburg!
The majors are only now starting to ramp up there recruitment, this will be ongoing for some years to come. So, ya think REX has problems now. What this space.:8 |
This morning,
2 Melbourne based REX Captains accepted by DJ. Highly experienced Check and Trainers in their 50's!!!! Virgin can obviously see the value of these people. REX management, you have got to be insane!!!!! |
KRUSTY 34, never missing an opportunity to denigrate REX:
Virgin can obviously see the value of these people. How much they are paid is not an indication of how much they are valued. REX management, you have got to be insane!!!!! REX just cannot match the T&Cs offered by operators such as VB. This is the reality, KRUSTY 34, and you know it, but for some reason you would rather pretend otherwise so that you can continue to hammer your own company. Mr. Hat said: Treat people properly and they will not only stay but bend over backwards for you. |
"We call on the other major airlines in Australia to train their own pilots instead of simply poaching massively from the regional airlines and the pilot training schools," Mr Breust said.
AAP lol this is preety funny. i dont know how major airlines steal pilots, id love it if they kidnaped me and gave me a job. by sayin that. it just shows that rex obviously are not treating their pilots very well, either in pay or watsoever conditions. wow thats some preety strong words to say from rex. :eek: dont think i will be applying for their cadetship. |
instead of simply poaching massively from the regional airlines and the pilot training schools Congrats to all of those who have moved on from the sinking ship and good luck to all of those looking to get out soon. It can't be a fun place to work right now. |
Aircraft,
You know, for someone who has never worked for REX, (or do you????), your comments are insulting to say the least. Rex was born out of the ashes of the Ansett regionals, Kendell and Hazelton. You were in school at the time. I was there before, during and after the collapse. Like my other colleges who have actually been there, I remember all too well the dark times. I saw with pride the growth of REX, from shaky beginnings to become the premier regional airline in Australia. I have stated previously that the job done by the owners was absolutely marvelous. They retired debt, they rationalised ports, grew the business, and created economies of scales that other Regionals could only dream about. This led to more people travelling on regional services than ever before. The fares are now effectively half of what they were a decade ago. Profits are at record levels, and the share price has nearly trippled since the initial listing! The boss employed the basic principals listed above, and stayed the rational economic course. Through all of this however, the plentiful supply of skilled labour was never an issue. That situation has now done a complete 180 degree turn. The alarm bells started ringing in earnest at the beginning of this year. The warning signs were there for some time before that. It appears that the action required to deal with this situation is not part of those principals. I have never denegrated REX. I have said in previous posts that I beleieve it to be (was) one of the best jobs in Aus Aviation. I do however, hold REX management, and most other air operators responsible for this crisis. I sit back in total amazment and watch all the hard work of the previous years now in serious jeapody because management have not embarked on the only course of action that would have mitigated this situation. When the Dam started to leak, management stood at the bottom and simply did nothing. When the trickle became a stream, they moved to put more water in?? Now that tricke is set to become a flood. What are they doing? Hoping for rain in about 12 months time! No matter how you look at it....Insane!!!!! |
Pass The Dictionary
Aircraft said: How much they are paid is not an indication of how much they are valued. val·ue (vhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/abreve.giflhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifyhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/oomacr.gif)n. 1. An amount, as of goods, services, or money, considered to be a fair and suitable equivalent for something else; a fair price or return. 2. Monetary or material worth. |
Aircraft..... Putting aside the actual definition of "VALUE" as given to us by semperfly, how would YOU define value ? and how much a company VALUES its employees ?
go... I am interested in YOUR definition of value. |
Well my friends I think the end in near............:confused:
VB took their E-Jet into Albury on the weekend and will be travelling to many more of Rexs' high yeilding country ports in the near future.. QF will counter VB by placing a Q400 to compete againt the E-Jet, so where does this leave Rex.......dead in the water!!!!! A very sad day indeed for many of my mates that still work there....... The amount of recruiting that will take place next year will be unheard of........JQ alone want over 200 pilots.......So if they think they are having a pilot crisis now, wait until then..... By the way...who is going to train the cadets, last I heard flying schools were screaming for instructors, so if Bruesty thinks his cadets will be ready in anything less than 18 months he is even dumber than he looks.... I'm glad I sold my shares when I did, and I think there will be a lot of people sell them while they are over inflated... |
Rex mgt needs to wake up.
I too have been increasingly frustrated by this situation. I used to think Rex would have been one of the best employers in Aus and for many years had my sights set on working for them. Whether you are for them or not, you cannot escape the fact that this situation is being very badly handled by mgt and whatever way you spin it, Rex are looking to employ the lowest common fix rather than taking the lead. Pilots will leave if they can get better pay and conditions, to say this is a suprise, is nonsense and quite niave. Flying for a living can be great but after 6 months or so, it becomes a job like any other and your priorities will then become on whether you can afford to eat and pay your rent/mortgage at your current position. Like any job, if you can do better for yourself, you will.
In a previous post someone mentioned how the airline had begun from humble beginnings to show record profits and become one of the premier regional airlines in Aus. It is extremely sad then that dollar hungry mgt will not use these profits to retain its staff and level of service, but pocket the money instead and cry poor to the govt. To say they are not trying persuade the govt to review the immigration situation is again closing your eyes from the truth. I know many, many pilots here and overseas (aussies) whom Rex hasnt even written back to, why? If there is such a shortage, surely they would be keen to make contact? It might be because those pilots simply cant live on 40k/55k/year. The sad thing here is that Rex mgt are literally standing by (what their motivation is I can only guess) while all previous hard work and effort expended to make the airline so noteable, is unravelled and in the end will basically count for nothing. As someone who has spent the last few years wanting to work for Rex, I am now dissapointed that I no longer do. A few of my friends were captains there on the Sabbs and they have since left for the EXACT reason that TandC's where abismal. Its still not too late for Rex to turn this around and it would be amazing if they did. Time though, is running out.:ugh: |
Aircraft its time you to get off your high horse and wake up to yourself. Normally I'm quite happy to listen to a differing view to mine but when you start carrying on like you're giving a lecture in "Hard Work 101" my willingness to listen fades.
Assuming that those with opinions different to yours don't know whats required to turn a profit in this industry is arrogance of the highest level. Being the hard work expert, you'd know that people actually like working hard but they also like to keep pace with the times. I.e. people like to be rewarded for their efforts. Your argument holds no water whatsoever as there are companies in this country that don't have the massive turn over that rex have and really don't pay that much more. And then there are those that have an even bigger percentage of turnover but don't carry on like spoilt little brats to the media when an airline takes their pilots. I happen to know quite a few people that work for rex and let me tell you they're as good as it gets when it comes to hard work. This is aviation, Mr Hat, and to make those razor thin profits that aviation is so well known for you must work your staff and your aircraft hard. |
Razor Thin
Aircraft said: Ok, so just what is "treat people properly"? I think you probably mean "don't work them too hard". This is aviation, Mr Hat, and to make those razor thin profits that aviation is so well known for you must work your staff and your aircraft hard. "August 29, 2007 08:50am DISCOUNT regional airline Regional Express Holdings expects a ten per cent increase in earnings this year after posting a 46.8 per cent jump in full-year net profit after tax (NPAT) for 2006/07. Rex, which includes its fright and charter business as well as Rex Investment Holding, said group NAPT was $23.1 million in the year just ended, while revenue increased by 29 per cent to $225 million." And oh by the way that "fright" bit isn't a typo, that is what the article actually says. :) http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...rom=public_rss |
apache and SemperFly,
If you want to understand my definition of "value", just think of a loved one, for example. Ask yourself how much you value them; then ask yourself how much you pay them. Mr. Hat, You didn't answer my question re what is required to "treat people properly". My question is genuine, as all I have been able to garner from these REX threads is that: 1. The pilots are made to work hard, and 2. The crews sometimes have to walk a long distance (at YSSY?) (due no crew bus). I would like to know how the "improper treatment" goes beyond that expected of an aviation company that is struggling with staff shortages. 43Inches, There will be a correction or two. There has to be. Don't know exactly when, but there will be. Those corrections could be in the form of operators going bust, economic downturn or a terrorism/SARS like event. |
SemperFly,
Of course airlines can make spectacular profits on occasion, but if you take a longer term view and average the profits out over those longer terms, you will indeed find that the profits tend to be "razor thin". And this is why you have never seen, and will never see, airlines giving pay rises on the basis of a few profitable years. Would you like me to elaborate on my assertion re the razor thin profits? I have a few favourite passages from the excellent book "Qantas Flightpaths" that I often quote on PPrune to support this assertion. |
Gidday aircraft me' ol' sparing partner!
3 more REX captains off to greener pastures. 2 more from Melb and another Check and Trainer from Adelaide! The stream has turned into a flood. It is a tragedy unfolding before our eyes. Your psydo-economic-rational, B.S. is now completely academic. My original solution for saving this situation, is now probably equally academic. The panic has set in, and it is possible that no amount of money will stop the exodus! I remain hopefull that the company can survive, but I am not a superstitious man, and I am afraid that it now may take a miracle! |
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