...Frozo, as far as dix n cox are concerned, QF engineers are paid to get planes in the air, not to find problems with them. As long as the plane has an aerobridge hooked up and a flow of pax, they are fat, dumb and happy. They care not one bit about the quality and safety of the plane. Those days are gone. If something goes wrong, if one hits the deck, who do you think is going to end up in court? Dix? Cox? or the QF engineer?

You, ManagersP, HDog and Aircraft need to get your heads around this.

Providing for hull loss
 

To take issue with Sunfish.

I'd expect a prudent management, (QF, DJ, NZ, SQ ) doesn't matter which,to understand what a catastrophic hull and life loss event might cost.

And then make provision for it. It's called good management.

I don't know if a rolling 5 or 10 year period is right (not a bean counter), but some provision and recognition is sensible.

Nothing to do with engineering outsourcing.

It is said that Swissair's demise was in part related to the fact that they had not considered or understood the need to manage the costs of a catastrophe.

FWIW

Sorry Sunfish I have to agree that the hull loss plans won't win favour with the public.

Being a mate of SP I can say that the ALAEA are seeking expert PR advice from an external consultant every time they talk to the press. The issue of hull loss has been raised and dropped when more newsworthy items seem to be grabbing the attention.

Thank you Goaty! I'm glad you are getting professional advice. It's very important (although it shouldn't be) to be able to put your case to people in very short 'sound bites".

I see in the news that Qantas provisioned for a $40M fine for illegal price-fixing of cargo rates (in conjunction with other airlines). Just shows how much management cares about Joe Public.

The masked goatrider.
 

All along I thought it was the "two balls one sack" scenario.

"Being a mate of SP"

Guess I stand corrected.:E

Hull loss or two!
 

The concern now comes is if the current mindset of management believes there is more money to be made driving maintenance down to and accepting crashes/accidents COMPARED TO best maintenance to prevent all accidents, then the most profitable will be chosen! The latter is ideal, the former may be a real:\ business decision:ooh:

Any word on what happened in the commision today?

BSS
 

Obviously The Cox/Murray/Hespe motto is running hard

Bonus before Saftey & Schedule!

looks like the boys got smashed in the commish,no vote ,looks like rafaelli has some more first class tickets coming

Apparently the President's the devil and the IR manager's a saint

Only in John Howard's Australia could the laws prevent you from protecting people

Guys, hes gotta go

Well surprise, surprise, surprise..........

MP.

MP you're right for once......Big Business....Government....and then the employee/the general public and guess who won.........thats right no surprise at all really.....

Reading coxes email it looks like they want to settle the eba to stop this sort of thing.my prediction vote november 3% back pay paid befour christmas. another 3% in january

sop

It's not over 'till the fat lady sings lads, watch this space.......

So what has happened?

Are OJO/OJQ still flying or are they being inspected?

3%
 

You have to be kidding 3% after another record profit!
Time to wake up it has to be a hell of a lot more than that somewhere between 6 - 8% nothing less....even the bus and train drivers are getting 5% backdated....you want to settle for 3%?
No more overtime no secondments no higher duties...
See how that works...

That would send a clear message, it would have probably greater impact than grounding two 744's, however it will never happen. Solidarity is a thing of the past.

negotions progressed well, RDO bank, DIL bank, OT bank, suiet of rosters for all H/M lames and if you are lucky and are employed in H/M Victoria you get to drive up and down the Geelong F/Way for a small allowence yet still no $$$$$ on the table. So as you can see once again QF have loaded the cards to create a rift between H/M and ACS (yes i am simpathitic to your one man pushback and roster issues) lets hope all will think of the future when the time comes to show how well the progress has been and not worry about the 3% backpay just in time for xmas as mine will equal 2 weeks worth of O/T and I for one will stand on the the old saying "ALL FOR ONE" stay strong and focused for a better than 3% outcome

the whole lot of you are piss weak,it's September now the EBA run out 9 months ago,spineless and weak,MP must be laughing his tits off at you lot:mad: