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44WING 16th Aug 2007 09:35

Any ideas who might 'pick up the pieces'?
 
WELLCONCERNED

Cannot resist it:

Humpty Dumpty clone number 4.

Circular theory - nothing changes without political and Board change.

Same old same old.

catseye 16th Aug 2007 10:00

procedures designers.....
 
Hey Reynolds,

Ad's were just to provide an alternate business case to contracting Naverus..

man on the ground 19th Aug 2007 14:01


My source says both the CEO - AND GM-ATC are leaving before the end of this year - regardless of election outcome [CEO had had about enough of the organisation this time last year!].

Any ideas who might 'pick up the pieces'?
Hot rumour in the AWB a short while back was GM TAS (reformed) for CEO (he's collected enough box-tops now) and GM safety for GM-ATC.

The latter I could live with, but the former :eek::eek:

WELLCONCERNED 19th Aug 2007 22:40

Don't think so, MOTG.

VERY unlikely that internal candidates will be considered for CEO - and VERY unlikely that current GM Safety has enough business experience [yes - you actually do need some to run ATC]. Also has some awkward skeletons in the cupboard, I hear.

My sources say to think lateral - AND to think Labor - i.e., the CEO will be a direct Labor appointee [within the constraints of natural justice, etc] - and the GM ATC [or whatever it becomes] will be a 'return to the fold' from 'days of yore' - i.e., a former insider who has become an outsider, who will become an insider again!

If this happens, current GM Safety will go.

Ain't the rumour network grand!!

Dick Smith 20th Aug 2007 01:42

Is it true that the General Manager ATC Reform is the person who was in charge of the wind back?

Wow, that’s a challenge. You’ve wound the airspace back so it is “upside down” – with Class C above airports like Albury where there is hardly any traffic, but the whole of Avalon with over 1 million movements per year runs in Class G – and you are supposed to be in charge of reform? It seems to me like reform in the backwards direction.

Scurvy.D.Dog 20th Aug 2007 01:51


..... but the whole of Avalon with over 1 million movements per year runs in Class G
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... errrrm you sure about that Dick? .... :p
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.... CASR Part 71? :E

Dick Smith 20th Aug 2007 02:41

This was a typo. It was actually over 1 million passenger movements per year.

CaptainMidnight 20th Aug 2007 04:37


Is it true that the General Manager ATC Reform is the person who was in charge of the wind back?
No, he wasn't "in charge of the wind back". The ASA board made the decision, which had widespread industry support.

Flightwatch and FIS has effectively been scrapped from today before an alternative system was put in to place?
The functions haven't been scrapped, and are available on ATC frequencies.
NOTAM quote:

ON-REQUEST FLIGHT INFORMATION (FIS), SARTIME AND EMERG ALERTING SERVICES AVAILABLE ON ATC FIA FREQUENCIES OR HF
The Flightwatch VHF frequencies themselves are in the process of being transferred to ATC, so in the meantime the function is available on ATC frequencies till the dedicated ones are available.

CaptainMidnight 20th Aug 2007 09:18


So you believe that the ATC sectors (in their current 'dynamic' guise) will be adequately staffed and trained to provide this service on-demand, by.... 0800 this morning?
Did I say anything remotely like that?
The claim was made

Flightwatch and FIS has effectively been scrapped from today before an alternative system was put in to place
I was simply indicating that according to the NOTAM they hadn't been scrapped, and they are available on ATC frequencies.
Let's not go giving people the impression something is no longer available when it apparently is. Someone else is already doing a good job scaremongering here :ok:

JackoSchitt 20th Aug 2007 09:32

The original plan was to totally decommission all the standalone Flightwatch Frequencies and simply service the FIS on-request service on FIA frequencies and make redundant the flightwatch staff. Read the AusFIC Services Review recommendations.

Then it was realised that one of the Flightwatch VHF frequencies was in a location that ATC does not have an outlet and so ATC decided to try to take over that one.

Then it was thought that ATC could be better served by taking over all the Flightwatch VHF frequencies and running it as a stand-alone function. EG, replace the Flightwatch staff with ATC staff. You work out the $$ value on that bright idea.

Sources say that the latest run of this is that ATC will take over some of the freqs and shuffle them among ATC consoles if they are not performed on a seperate console (something called the "planner" position??), decommission others and service most requests as well as Flight Following is done now.

Bottom line is that nothing has moved but the redundancies have taken place and there is no staff to provide the standalone Flightwatch VHF function.

Meanwhile the introduction of ATC-provided FIS (that necessitates all Amended TAF, Amended ARFOR, SIGMET, AIRMET and SPECI are directed to any airacrft in 2-way comms within 1hr flight time of the affected area) will only act to futher congest FIA frequencies.

I ask you is that "Affordable aviation" at its best???

WELLCONCERNED 20th Aug 2007 10:12

Whoa, guys, whoa!

This thread was about Airservices' CEO leaving soon - not about DS's totally [not] kool airspace adventures.

Latest I heard was that a former [well respected] Defence person has been approached about 'joining the [very senior] management team' ranks! Next CEO?....

Remember what I said about lateral thinking.

BeGoneTFN 21st Aug 2007 00:22

Stop it!
 
I wish you guys would stop getting my hopes up, after doing a job at Hazo's he has a major project underway at ASA.:D

If he can't turn the place into a basket case within three years in office no-one can!

What was once a career is now a job, he has destroyed the organisation.

Dick Smith 21st Aug 2007 00:58

So-long, you repeat the erroneous claim that I’m against alerted see and avoid. This is the opposite to the truth. I don’t believe there is anyone who has done more to remove unalerted see and avoid than I.

In 1991 I introduced the first UNICOM as part of AMATS.

I then designed the first beep-back unit and financed the original units – because no one would. These AFRUs dramatically reduce the amount of unalerted see and avoid.

I brokered the mandatory transponder requirement for Class E airspace – once again, to reduce unalerted see and avoid.

I wrote the original Air/Ground paper on my kitchen table and arranged for the original Air/Ground demonstration at Wagga Airport.

I worked tirelessly for the introduction of UNICOMs and against the change that was introduced by CASA which meant that the only person who could operate an Air/Ground was someone who had an air traffic control or flight service licence. This means that virtually no Air/Ground services exist, which results in more unalerted see and avoid.

I suggest you stick to the truth in future.

44WING 23rd Aug 2007 07:44

WELLCONCERNED you actually need some safety experience and qualifications to run safety too so what happened there?

But I have the solution. pay the money or clone Gail Kelly, ex St Georges bank and new Westpac CEO. Something new (though old practice) from something that actually works. A CEO with integrity, common sense and brains. At a recent interview, when asked about the dichotomy between stakeholders and customers her answer ignored both and directly referred to the importance of STAFF!!!!!!!!!!! She also spoke about the importance of customers, long term strategy and standards of service. What more could we ask for? Just watch all of the scuttling to align by current managers and execs.

This is what we need; long long time coming.

Quokka 23rd Aug 2007 08:13

*

"I have a dream..."

WELLCONCERNED 23rd Aug 2007 09:07

Hi 44Wing,

Agree that she'd make a good candidate for CEO - but suspect the salary might be just a wee bit on the short side! I suspect she'll be pulling in $2M-$3M a year in saklary, bonuses and options [probably more].

AsA CEO is on what - about $500k all up?

Also agree about the safety qualification for GM-Safety - but it doesn't seem to be a prerequisite at eith AsA or CASA for that matter. Even senior ATSB staff are short a few basic safety quals.

Still think you need to keep your eyes open for an ex-mil person for CEO - can't be more specific than that without giving my ID away....

WELLCONCERNED 23rd Aug 2007 10:25

SL,

Who said ex-RAAF?

Look wider and higher, mon ami.....

...and not necessarily a uniformed person......[i.e., DoD, perhaps?...]

He [and it is a he - sorry girls] is ready to jump, and has been approached...

Scurvy.D.Dog 23rd Aug 2007 10:54

.... has been approached :hmm:
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.. forgive me for being cynical, but most people in that club are cut from the same cloth (certainly in the last 11 years) .... folks are not 'approached' unless they have certain ideological runs on the board :suspect:
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... tell us that ain't true .. lest there be mass depression :(

flightfocus 23rd Aug 2007 12:47

Oh please non denominational higher power, please give us a CEO that understands that staff are an ASSET not a cost. :D

That STAFF run the business and not Management at self serving meetings, junkets and lunches. :yuk:

A CEO that realises another drawn out EBA process will only further undermine (yes - although at historic lows it could fall even further) staff confidence and morale.

Someone who nows that the last thing we need is another bloody F*&*^%%ing restructure. You can only re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic so many times - she is still going down. :ugh:

Oh, and N.D.H.P please protect the travelling John's and Jane's and ensure that Australia does not suffer a major event due to the short sighted, narrow minded, penny pinching, moral murdering ****e that the ATC (and many other Aviation professionals just quietly) have had to put up with for far to long.

Nema. :ok:

Scurvy.D.Dog 23rd Aug 2007 13:07

:D .. Bravo That Man/Woman :D


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