Yes Neville your right, the HSC is a basic standard of education but I still don't understand what its got to do with flying an Aeroplane.


Regards

The Dog

Good luck in your next EBA negotiations, with beancounters and management, many of whom would have at least Bachelor Degrees, if not a Masters.

"Yeah we think we are worth more, but oh, you don't need a HSC to fly a Dash."

The 20yo bloke cleaning the toilets probably finished school, surely it's not much to ask of the pilots!!!

It is a ridiculous requirement for people who finished school 20+ years ago, especially if you do not take into account what they have achieved in the interim! If they were to look at each individual on their merits, that would be a more sensible approach!

QF and more important QF link have missed many pilots who would be ideally suited because of this requirement!

The Dog

Mate you might feel the urge to to do some trigonometry or recite some useless poems whilst doing a NDB app :}

the other 4 years of your high school education doesn't either...

MUNT
 

Well said... they want there candidates a little smarter and dedicated then ya average Joe!

Streuth, it looks like the HSC advocates must have been sick on the day the teacher taught comprehension:} .

Neville, this is simply about flying for QantasLink not whats going on in America or at the 'high end of town'. Sure, if a pilot presents for an interview with a HSC that would be good. It might not mean much but why limit the 'pilot pool'.

Transition, not all pilots joining QantasLink are in the age/experience demographic you speak of.

Picture this, back in the late eighties a fifteen year old kid decides he cant wait any longer to get his hands on an aeroplane and manages to get a job in the local hangar. He works hard and after a few years is well on his way to getting his licences both as an engineer and a pilot. By his early twenties he is working 'up north' and with those qualifications can pick up work anywhere. After many years he is now well known, regarded and has achieved heaps. He decides it would be nice to work for a regional airline and with about five times more experience in his logbook than the airline requires he figures he would stand a chance if interviewed. He trys to apply only to be told by some clerk just out of university trying to justify their job that he cant be considered until he obtains a HSC!

Although fictitous, if anybody thinks this guy still should not be considered for a regional airline job then they have serious 'mental problems'(thanks margaret);) .

Hoss - I guess in absolute terms what you say is perfectly valid but ultimately it is their train set as such and I am sure that they are aware of the effect the that the year 12 requirement has. As I understand it the year 12 requirement (in addition to the psychobabble tests) has only come about as the Qlink operations have become more subordinate to the larger empire as it were. I daresay the decision was made by someone further up the food chain than a clerk and it is my guess that this decision was made by someone in Qantas not Qantaslink.

I didn't think you could get Co-pilot endorsements in Australia any more, or was that one of those things that is often talked about but not acted on?

HSC???
 

Sometimes I wonder if some of the posters on Prune should go back to school for a while.
Some appear to be semi literate.
Flying also involves accurate verbal and written communication.

JC, if you read the reg you posted earlier the only requirements (summarising) for logging ICUS is at least a CPL, a command endorsement, a M/E CIR, and company approval. You're only under 'supervision', not instruction, so no requirement for a training pilot. :)

Transition

Thats what you pay the AFAP large amounts of loot for,Besides plenty of guys with the HSC still wouldn't know a good deal from a bad one .
So it all comes back to a status thing for QFLINK.

Regards The Dog

Hoss, that "fictitious" person of which you speak isn't so fictitous.........:{

Hoss,

What about the fictitious young fellow who is not only an A student at school, but a very succesful sportsman. He is not only a State Champion, but goes on to compete in a number of National Championships! In year 11 he finds both full time training (around six hours per day six days a week), plus schooling (six hours per day five days per week), become just to much and decides to concentrate on sport.

After a very succesful sporting career, which as I said earlier includes a State Championship, he decides to pursue his boyhood dream of aviation. After many trials and tribulations, he finally achieves that coveted licence! Then he heads north to find that elusive first job, which leads to the next and then the next, anyway you know how it goes! Finally he lands a job flying a turboprop and considers himself one of 'the lucky ones'. After a considerable stint at the one company, he now has over 6500 hours, most of which is in command on multi-crew aircraft, including some training experience!

In pursuit of a young lady, he sets off for greener pastures and applies to the regional in question. They are apparently, in 'desperate' need of pilots, so he approaches them directly only to be told... Anyway the young chap (at heart anyway), makes the move to be with his sweetheart and is welcomed with open arms at another reputable operator. Quickly becoming a functional member of the team, his skills show that he indeed does have what it takes, after all he was an A grade student...;)

NB: Of course this story is entirely fictitious!:ok:

Footnotes: While his grammar may be suspect at best, he has found that his vocabulary is the equal of many of his HSC graduate peers and his knowledge of physics, more than adequate for his chosen profession, that is of course if this person wasn't totally fictitious! ;)

Jawz - the 500 hour requirement only applies to Low capacity (not more than 36 seats) AOCs.

"They are apparently, in 'desperate' need of pilots, so he approaches them directly only to be told... "

It's funny isn't it? Not so long ago Sunnies and EAA had heaps of experienced guys on the books.
So forward to now and they lose a few to jets...Rather than give guys a carrot to stay, they hit the new ones with the $10k lump of wood. (That would have to be an accountant's idea.) :hmm:

So Hoss, do you have HSC? I know sunnies wasn't too worried about it until recently.
I agree with you, and it makes alot of sense. I guess the public would just expect us to 'have' HSC. Just like they probably expect that the FO has a reasonable level of experience. :}

I thought year 12 was for meeting girls and enjoying myself....So I completed year 12 but badly.


cheers

I suspect this is a discrimination issue.
Because it has been a requirement for the HSC, if they remove it, previous candidates without their HSC who were knocked back could complain.
I know this was a problem after Ansett collapsed, many pilots without their HSC who wanted to join qf had to go and do a bridging course in order to be considered.

WynSock, yes i have a HSC. I didn't pass and did all the wrong subjects but that useless piece of paper got me in!

I think you'll find the QantasLink Rate of Resignations(QRoR) at about 50 per annum and stable.

:)

Some of the guys in here (Hoss, HH etc.) should take a bow. You've done well. However, I'm afraid I stand with the others. It is perfectly reasonable for a reputable airline to expect those qualifications from applicants. However, considering HSCs weren't always as common as they are now, perhaps QL should accept other qualifications in its place??? e.g. Turbine time etc. I find it interesting to note that QL will drop the TT/Multi hour requirements to 700/250 BEFORE they will drop the HSC requirement. Clearly they do GENUINELY believe that this piece of paper is rather valuable!

QRoR...


hehe:}

I must submit that one to the international aviation acronym authority. AAA