Well there you go.... You beat us by 2 places (nice jump from number 10 to 12) - but remember, we are "domestics".
But then again, you barely get to LHR because you have a base up there, Jetstar are taking just about all your HNL's, we do nearly all the NRT's, you do a shuttle to JFK and Vancouver, and you have a nice slip in Joberg - which i understand crew hate going to and constantly go sick on.
Goodluck getting to SFO unless you have been flying for 45years and when you go to AKL it's usually just the CSM & CSS as the rest of the crew are kiwi's.
Of course, the domestic locations are places like PER where you do the return on that fantastic aircraft called the 743. Hey - isn't that "our flying". See how stupid it sounds?!

Syd/shorthaul,
perhaps you would be kind enough to advise us all of the reasons WHY so much international flying has been leached to the, "domestics"...........?

ahhhhh Unity,,,,,, Maybe if you all stopped having a bitch slapping contest to see who has the bigger list of international destinations, you might find that if you actually support each, you might all be happier people and maybe be able to fight against the management that demean you all. Be thankful you have a job. It could all be gone tommorrow then you will be all alone:{

Some people fight for years to get positions with Qantas but to no avail. You have a great job, great benefits, but you want more, more, more , more more.

Don't let the role you perform define you as an individual.

Look at BA at Gatwick... They were all Euro Gatwick/ LGW Worldwide separation fighting and carry on, but now they are all one fleet...

Could happen to QF SH/LH already happened to AO.

Start supporting each other. You are all you have to rely on in this day and age of flying

Well Speedbird i certainly didnt vote for the last EBA to do all the regional flying and personally i dont do it.

The reason is that shorthaul is cheaper. End of story. And you know this is the reason why. Are you happy to have it typed up the screen? Make you feel better?

Oh, and also, it appears the the LH FAAA is hopeless at getting and keeping your traditional flying.

The LH FAAA has watched bases being built around the world - NZ, LHR, BKK...its watched no promotion for years (until just recently), its let the JFK slips disappear and now you guys do a duty that the yanks dont even do, you have moved into crap accomm in LA (or atleast thats what you guys bitch about), they have let Jetstar run all over you, they have let QF SH take loads of work off you, LH'ers have been forced to use up all their leave... SO... what does your union do for you?? Zip. And your about to shafted again at christmas when the EBA comes up.

Getting back to your original question... yes, the reason is that we are cheaper to operate on these international routes. Now, the way i see it you have 2 options.
1. Sit back and complain about losing more routes
2. Realise the good old days are over and accept that you may have to change to retain and possibly win back any of the flying you have lost. If that means working more hours/bid period - so be it. Accepting DTA at the SH rates? Maybe. You still get paid a handsome rate of pay.

SH is a growing division, LH is shrinking. Thats the facts.

Whilst not disagreeing in anyway with the "thrust" of your post can you please explain what you mean by, "but you want more, more, more , more more"

why cant s/haul join the faaa l/haul?????????????????????????????????? cheers gigs

I am personally happy for QF LH to take all the international stuff back. As i said, im not interested in it.

Leave us to do the 9am-5pm rock returns and you can do the all nighters from SIN.

Yep, you have hit the nail on the head, Domestic's don't want to do LH trips. It's not about who wants to do what. While I don't defend the LH FAAA, it is not LH that let this happen, it is whoever sold out to our "bonus driven" management, and that was SH FAAA !! ? If Domestic crew were consulted by their union and had any say in the deal, I am sure they would not have let this happen. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Isn't voting on the EBA having a say ?

Hang on a sec Radiation junkie... there are a whole bunch of crew who actually do want the regional flying.

There are two main groups. The VERY senior old TAA girls who are about to take the package (number 3 from MEL is in SYD at the moment to do some international flights) and believe it or not the ex LH'ers do them all the time.

They all complain about how they miss getting their little envelopes when they turn up to the hotel. Go figure.

There has been several opportunites to go LH for all crew. If they want to do the flying then head on over.

there is more
 

to the story. not to forget your glam MAM casuals are extensively utilised whenever no s/h want to go on certain trips. not chewing on the past, but your now secretary should wear the companies logo on her forehead. i think she has more then a bit to do with the lhr base opening, your last eba (selling out cheaply) and other dispensations. so the idea would be get her out of the domestic faaa, get someone who actaully stands up to the company. or even better, let's declare both sh & lh faaa leadership open for a ballott. winner leads ONE union for sh and lh. compromises will be accepted by most members.;)

I go along with mrpaxing..

It is certainly counterproductive to have 2 unions representing cabin crew in Australia.

If not the company will continue to play one against the other.

The only winner then is Darth....

Ok...i'll stop my stirring now guys and girls... but i did revive the old LH v's SH fun!

Atleast it gets the old blood going and actually both sides come up with good ideas. Pity the company doesn't listen. :rolleyes:

LH against SH
 

LH against SH - this reminds me of when Ansett would go in to bat with TAA/Australian following on the tails of Ansett.

Just to let you know the L/H FAAA do a great job - and when you need them they are there for you.

Now is the time for the LH and SH FAAA to join ranks. The company have it there way they play one off the other.

Woop Woop Woop..... Thread Drift
 

Just read the precourse propaganda for the new CSS..what a lot of crap.
Rabbits on about the Australian Experience that should necessarily be provided by the crew.
Bit difficult if you are Thai,British or a Kiwi.Even my five year old wouldnt believe this rubbish.
Credibility of this lot is now minus zero.

Thread drifts are such fun !!
Now, back to topic..
Credibility, what credibility... the only Australian Experience the incompetent management weasels know is when they destroy aviation jobs in Australia and get their bonus paid in Australian Dollars.

On another thread drift....While waiting for crew transport bus at Terminal, watched J* crew enter the terminal. All Thai.
BTW, What is the Thai % of J* crew ?
Yep, a real Australian Experience for our "customers".

help, help
 

i have just done of of those 743 per returns. disaster is a word too kind for all the problems these flights have. i have enough volunteers to help push VH- EBV,EBX and the rest over the runway into botany bay. the poor csm lost his last remaining hair. what a joke.
can the engineers shed some light on how long these s..tplanes keep flying domesticially or in the fleet at all. i also hear the do the akl - lax services, sorry lets think about it for a moment--what service (not the crew):ugh:

Management
 

When will QF management take a leaf out of Air New Zealand Management. Air New Zealand Management work with staff side by side at least once a month. Come on Qantas management - where are you?? what about doing a trip to LA and work side by side with a FA, what about doing time with the check in counter and see how it really works?? It is about time that QF management, and especially cabin crew management really got down and worked side by side with the staff at least once a month. Maybe then they would know what it is really like to be cabin crew!!!

pigs
 

You will see the "proberabial Flying pig" first.
Don't you know they are MANAGEMENT and are above such novel ideas.God almighty next thing you know they actualy might learn something,heaven forbid that happening.
:mad::yuk:

Great idea but as already said. Pigs DONT fly.
 

Couldn't you just imagine the precious DJ hostie on an unplanned 18 hour plus LAX-JFK-LAX sector..........:rolleyes: