Direct, Yep and there lies the problem, and why I doubt this rumour.

Why would Emirates offer basings? The answer is most likely- to increase the pool of applicants. That means it will be for new joiners, not those already in. If it was in seniority order, the numbers in the que would be enormous and new guys would not be enticed. Emirates needs more pilots, lots of them and a basing system would do it. What would it do to the morale of those left in Dubai?????? A basing system would likely cause as many problems as it would fix. I'm not holding my breath.

You miss the point that basings would improve retention. Therefore obviating the need for as many new recruits. With 5% annual attrition that is a sizeable number. I would hazard to guess that most of the EK guys that left for JetStar would have stayed at EK had they been offered an Oz base.


Typhoonpilot

Really? More than 500 pilots who could work in Oz and have more than 2000 hours jet time?

Let's see, Virgin has about 550 pilots TOTAL.

You are dreaming.

TP- You miss my point. I don't think basings would be for those of you already there. Basings would be used to attract new guys, not keep those already there. 5% attrition is manageable if you're able to hire like crazy. Basings would allow that. Emirates needs most of their pilots in Dubai. The cold hard fact is that a lot of guys there don't have anywhere else to go.

Icarus- Virgin has 500+, QF has 2000+, Jetstar, National Jet, Jitconnict, ANZ, expats, etc. On the salary that I mentioned, with reasonable promotional opportunities, a hell of a lot of very disilusioned QF guys would certainly be interested- many out of pure spite. 500 may be a bit off the mark but I reckon it would be close to that. TT

My guess is that you will never see basings for the simple reason EK will never accept their crews being subject to OZ/euro/North American labour laws.

If anything we may see some attempt to introduce commutable rosters. Against this is that it would require more pilots because there will be less guys available in DXB to work days off to cover shortfalls. This is also contrary to current EK policy.

Will the market become tight enough for EK to change their position on these issues?

I think we are still a fair way off that yet, judging by the guys who are still coming. We haven't even started tapping the turbo prop market yet. History shows that EK is not forward looking in these issues. They tend to roll the dice and gamble that somewhere another airline will go broke just in time to provide the required amount of pilots. Remember we are not looking at huge numbers, only 250 a year. Given that EK can source from anywhere in the world (unlike Virgin, Qanas or J*) I would say the odds are in their favour, and so far history would support that.

V

V- I agree. I don't think there's any truth to this rumour. I was only speculating on what might happen, as suggested by TCOB on the previous page. Ultimately, they're only after a couple hundred guys a year. I don't see that as being that hard. Time will tell.... TT

Hoopla Hoopla, the EK circus is in town. Have you seen the elephants, have you seen the clown. ????? :p

I knew I should have copyrighted that saying when I first put it up on Qrewroom! :}

Still, I've been known to steal the occasional quote off others so no harm done! :ok:

Fascinating reading about the Oz base though. I don't think it's for me (too close to a QF command...maybe...perhaps....who knows) but the lack of schooling and accommodation and so on does address the issue that I had in the back of my mind as to why EK would bother with an Oz base. I always figured that for the money they'd have to offer that it'd be cheaper to slip crew rather than base them.

Interesting times indeed!

Labour Laws? Now there's an interesting concept. What I do know is that there aren't any in Oz at the moment. She's Howard's law of the jungle until Rudd gets in (ably advised by BB of course). :yuk:

At a fairwell for a mate on Friday night.

Lots of local drivers now looking overseas. Rumours everywhere, you know what they're like!

One big one doing the rounds was that EK have dropped their pure jet requirement. Not to mention some pretty outrageous claims of big big bucks on offer. (I mean Really big bucks). Checked the website, does not appear to be any changes.

Anyone else heard anything?

Has anyone got news from todays show in MEL.


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So Kamelf Hucker,

Do they require Jet time or don't they?

Thanks Max AB.

Have made a few further enquiries.

Have been told that because of my religion (which is on my birth certificate incidentally) that I'm screwed and that in all honesty my application probably wouldnt be considered.
I cant change my religion and neither would I lie about it!
If others have lied about their religion in order to get a job then thats their business and good on them.

Having to lie on an application form in order to get a job says alot about that prospective employer.

Also, wife soon to be bride (who possesses an Israeli passport) cant even enter the country (UAE).
And being a former officer in the Israeli armed forces................

Ah, for the equal opportunity employer!!

That's the point... The gumment owns the met office and they tell them never to publish a temperature above whatever (46 Celsius?) because of the OHS/Labour laws.

Funny, that, a met office that has a differently calibrated thermometer, and whose pronouncements are censored.

I wonder if private ownership of thermometers is illegal in the pit?

VH-CU

To my knowledge there is no religion that makes you unemployable at EK, even the one that we dare not speak.

Any feedback from the EK roadshows?

I talked to a QF CAPTAIN the other day of mid-level seniority who had an application with them. Hadn't heard of that one before.

I'll ask the question again;

Do they still require Jet time?

Anyone??

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Sorry for the implied sarcasm,

I'll try and make it clearer what I am asking.

What I meant by Pure-Jet was Jet as opposed to turbo-prop, you know jet engines, but driving propellors!

As the the difference between Pure-Jet and Jet, Kamelf Hucker, I do not have a freak'n clue what you are talking about. But I am prepared to be enlightened.

Sounds like a good interview question to me. Time to break out the books Krusty. Hmmmmm something to do with "bypass" .... Heard of it?

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Thanks Buzzy.

Strolled into that one!

Think my question has been answered.

Geeezz! Sometimes it's like drawing teeth

TIMMEEE, who did you ask re religion...some one at EK? I joined with a guy who put Jew on his paperwork, they gave him a job then asked that in future he leave that bit blank just to avoid any hassles. Any way your choice, good luck.

For those that don't know how to us the internet search function ...

http://www.emiratesgroupcareers.com/

Have a look and see for yourselves.

Did anyone actually go any of these open days? Many turn up? etc etc

Don

I went and had a look. About 15 was the turn out at that one. I thought they put a good case forward and answered all questions.

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BS.

That'll be because they're trained salesman....be cautious of strangers offering gifts.

15 people?
They certainly weren't swamped with interest then.
Were there more people at any of the other venues?
Time for Oz bases I reckon!!!!! :ok:
THAT will get some interest !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

I was at one of the roadshows in Brissy, probably about 50-60 including a few spouses. Questions were asked re second officer time and turboprop time. SO time is counted but only up to a mximum of 500 hours and at THIS stage heavy turboprop time (P3, HERC) doesn't count toward the requirement for 2000 hours multi crew jet. But that may change.

I attended the Brisbane recruitment seminar.
25 Direct Entry Captains required by October this year. No more expected after that. This is inspite of 160 pilots wanted this year and 500 next year. Work that out. DEC's only required for B777. No waiver on 3000hrs above 55 tonnes.
I have 4500rs jet command time but only 500hrs above 55 tonnes. I would only be considered for an F.O. position. This does not sound like a Company running short of crew, to me. That may well be the case.
Nor would I take it away from the many F.O.s aspiring to command in Emirates, understandably, they should have first go.
I was amazed at the low remuneration on offer. Less gross than a J* pilot. The only differences being taxation treatment and accommodation supplied. And people put **** on J* salaries. A Jet* pilot actually costs the company more than an Emirates pilot in pure salary terms. I do understand that accommodation and school fees etc' combine to form an expatriate enticement. But seriously, why would people leave Oz to work for that small difference.
Especially when considered along with the recruitment process.
Yes, there is a shortage of experienced pilots emerging, but it still has along way to go and will require the collective will of all pilots to ensure that real benefits flow to pilots as a result of that shortage.

F/O Bloggs, I do understand the point you are making. That is, irrespective, there is more money in the pocket.

However, that is simply a result of the tax free environment. Naturally as an end user (recipient) we tend to care only about the nett worth, but we still cannot escape the gross cost to our company. I do not deny the right of those who would take up employment on the best possible nett terms to themselves.

All I am suggesting is the looming shortage of pilots is not yet influencing the employers to offer sufficient nett remuneration to attract the experience levels that they are demanding, in numbers sufficient to meet the demands of the expanding operations they seek to crew.

The end result is my overall impression from the EK seminar was, we want you to apply, but don't be surprised if you do not meet our stringent requirements.

Gentlemen,

On the Fragrant Forum it is quite easy to obtain info as to the 'standard' one can expect of life in HK. I am very aware that some of you have put it in black and white before. Seems pertinent to me that one of you lads should post a neutral (Yep Neutral) view of what someone can expect when joining EK. Forget all the nonsense about house maids and the like. Just what it costs to work here. I'm here a lot but not based and to be honest it's bloody expensive. Would love to know if there are less expensive options. Please give it some thought before posting, and please, no vitriol. If any of you are in a position to 'further the interest' I, for one, would appreciate it.

With Thanks

D

I have been with Emirates for about 1 year now and my average pay packet is around $8000 Aussies dollars in the hand/month. This month alone I have 2 Aussie trips and a JFK which is 92 stick hours and I have earnt close to$9000 Aussie dollars with around another $1000 in layover cash. If I wanted to I could pick up another trip from the crew portal and push my pay packet over the $10000 mark. I have no other bills except for mobile/internet/cable tv/car/fuel. I am so far ahead from what i was earning in Australia it isn't funny!!! By the way, the above figures aren't indicative of the 20% payrise and flight pay which doesn't kick in till next month!

Defenestrator
 

What did your last slave die of?

I have no need to entice you to Emirates. Try the search function next time.....

Atiuta,

Are you EK management ?

That would be "no" and I fail to see your correlation.

Not one to disappoint are you Atiuta. I simply wanted some insight. I trust that you're not the calibre of pilot at EK that I was hoping to hear from.

D :yuk:

After reading these 5 pages, all of a sudden it aint so bad flying a 400 and living in SW England.Thank you youve cheered me up no end!

Defenestrator
 

If you wanted some insight, a politer way to ask would have been without the little lecture about what you expected in a response. BTW, had any luck?

Bypass Ratio, the seminar advised of a 6% payrise plus flight pay commencing 1st May. Where does the 20% fit in?

The 20% pay rise furfy is how EK are trying to sell the latest pay rise that will come into effect on 1st May. It includes our normal 3% basic pay increment, the 6% pay rise and the newly introduced flight pay (Aed45 per actual block hour, up to the productivity threshold (76 to 78hrs) for Capts and not sure of what the FO payment is). The companies spin is that when flying 75hrs per month (for all 12 months), and if you are on the lowest pay increment for your rank this flight pay is equal to another 11%. We then get newbies, who are still awestruck at being in DXB, that round all this up to 20%. As its a fixed amount, the percentage of your salary for flight pay decreases as you move up the pay structure. It also does not take into account any months of leave, ground training, or when sick leave is taken and 75hrs are not flown.

This flight pay is also not included in any profit share payment, loss of licence payment, provident fund payment etc etc.

So in reality, we have received a 6% pay rise, if you push it, the flight pay might be called another 5-6%.

Don