NJS B717s
 

Just wondering how the operation of the 717 is panning out in NJS service and how the boys and girls like flying it. I have heard various stories ..........

and you may be getting some more .....:eek: (Aircraft not stories!)

More 717's? From where??

I hope they're going to bring some spares for them too!

Probably the 6 (?) 717-200s parked at Newcastle and Brisbane..

Cheers

Does anyone have any idea if and when the B717's will be RVSM approved? It would make our job easier as well as cause less restriction to requested levels. It won't help when the restriction is the Skywest F100 though.

On the Skywest F100's, anyone know whether they are planned to have RVSM approval? I notice the two Alliance F100s that have started operations out of Perth have RVSM so it's not an aircraft problem.

When Skywest get the A320s will they be RVSM approved, on the history of Skywest I would guess not!

I wonder whether the DJ ERJ purchase will prompt Qantas to bring the 717s back to the east coast? With a few rows of J class, I can just see them running a MEL-CBR shuttle or a few flights CBR-ADL etc.

West ATC, before you criticise non-RVSM operators, have a close look at the CAAP and other requirements for RVSM approval. The is a huge amount of regulatory effort involved.

NJS' 717 RVSM approval is coming very soon, or so the rumour has it.

Apacau,
Wouldn't it be logical for DJ to run a few Juingle Jets in WA/NT, and so wouldn't the 717s be best staying there to compete? Or do you live in the centre of the universe, Sydney? :)

Are spares a problem? 'Cause if dont spend the money on maint/spares now on the 717 she will will eventually become harder to maintain to the extent of becoming uneconomic to operate. I know the NJS tender for the 717s contained an allowance for spares/Maint that was so low it made people think at the time. But I am sure that the Old Girl is overcoming all that and flying like the DC9 clone she is. Long may she grace our skys.............

West ATC,
we want to know the same thing. NJS pilots.
Management keeps telling us next month.
There maybe some hurdles to overcome to obtain RVSM, however you won't ever convince me it should take over 2 yrs. Thats just poor management like the rest of it.
Trying to get spares off Impulse/Poxstar initially was a problem. Now they are not operating the type any more the problem appears to be solved.

Bloggs, sydney is about 2000nm closer to the centre of the universe than :yuk: :yuk: :yuk: :yuk: :yuk: PERTH:yuk: :yuk:

Centre of the universe
 

The centre of the universe is in Asia.
Darwin has a road (the Stuart highway) that runs from Darwin to Australia.

And lets keep it that way!!
Bloody NT Labor government has decreed to make it a lot further by road then it was previously. Speed limits would you believe.:}
With luck she will have more time for coffee with you soon CC.
Speaking to one of the F/A's the other night, she did astro physics at Uni, so I will find out where the real centre of the universe is.
Bet its no where near WA.:E

Oh dear, I think Renurpppp has finally gone troppo! :}

Wasn't meant to be a criticism of Skywest itself, just wondering if Skywest are trying to get RVSM approval for the F100's. I know that the F100 is still relatively new to Skywest and I realise that there is a lot of effort involved to get approval, but is Skywest trying to get the approval?

I just made the point that the Alliance F100's have RVSM approval but Skywest don't.

Good to see that the NJS 717's are nearly there! :D

Skywest is also going through the RVSM process with submission made to Airworthiness and Training for Engineering just about complete. Verification flights to come.

West ATC, the Admiral decreed it was'nt a priority, but then again nothing seems to be when you're not paying for fuel :rolleyes:
Speaking of the Admiral, which one of you suckers has to baby, I mean, fly with him :yuk:

OOOOOOOOOps, Clarrie, have I inadvertantly sunk to bitter and twistedness :ugh:

Agro and The Speed Demon! :}

Geeeeeeeez, what did they do to deserve that :suspect:

717 is very restricted on some routes. Example : Into Newman presently they are capping loads at 88 pax, that means 27 empty seats each flight...

Nah, the spare 717's are heading for Jetconnect.

You mean OUT OF ZNE they are capping the seats...

It's all in the chip. Change the donk chip for the big mother and the jets could be full. Besides, there ain't that many people who want ot go to ZNE! :}

You mean OUT OF ZNE they are capping the seats...
It's all in the chip. Change the donk chip for the big mother and the jets could be full. Besides, there ain't that many people who want to go to ZNE! :}

It just proves there is a God after all :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

actually bloggsy there is high demand for seats to and fro ZNE, of course this does not necessarily mean these pax want to be going there. my apologies the capping is only ex ZNE, I believe QF are looking at 737 ops as an alternative....

Well that's what happens when you put 717s on routes they were not designed for!

RENURPP, I don't think the decision will give her any more time for coffee. If, and it's a BIG IF she gets voted out over a 130 kph speed limit and a demerit points system, then folks deserve what they'll get. A bit like people voting for little johnny, saying re the new IR legislation, "oh, they wouldn't do that". Those chickens are only just starting to roost.

Besides that, in a Legislative Assembly of 17 (or is it 18?) v 4, it'd bee too big a swing. Bloody hell, a 210's got more seats than the CLP! :E

James4th

What routes was the 717 designed for?

I'm not too sure that the alternative will strike fear and terror within her heart either ..

Shortish routes, from airfields that are neither hot nor high.

Topend:in summer capped ex PBO, ex ZNE, ex KA, ex AS ( although KG is avail for fuel ), and bloggsy wasnt being entirely honest, unless they have addressed approach climb issue, then they are sometime restricted IN to those ports.

Clarry: The Yanks designed it, and use it as such, out of 2500m + runways into 2500+ runways.
Unfortunately I do not think there has been or will be an aeroplane designed for exactly what NJS use them for. ( that was definitely not bitter and twisted :cool:

Well said... 717 was designed for and perfect on the routes it serviced in the guise of QantasLink/Impulse.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it, hey? Just a thought...

So when a modification to a chip is made, what does this refer to and how does this increase the thrust from the engine?

The caps do not seem to be working in the centre...

Fantastic aeroplane the enjoyment of which is frustrated by mismanagement. Great airplane miss it but not the company.

WHAT Approach Climb issue? 46.1 at 45° at ASP. What more do you want?

Ditzy, you're hangin' on too tight. Let it go mate, let it go! :}

Big chip takes the donks from 18.5k lb per engine to 21.5k lb per engine.

The point is, QF needed/wanted to exit the 146 and also obviously wanted to replace it. 737-800 were obviously out of the question as loads at the time were too light, and even now they can be used more effectively elsewhere. The 717 might have been right for Impulse, but it just didn't fit QF except as it's vehicle for progressing GoD's JQ.

One could easily argue that it is THE most suitable jet for the longish WA routes. BME, PHE, KGI, PBO, ZNE, KTA. Sure, they are limited in summer (with the small chips), but what aircraft, at the total operating cost of the 717, wouldn't be? Fukker 100s? Too small. Sure you could replace it with 737-800s or DeathStars, but how much more would it cost? Have a look at the fares QF are charging and then analyse the cost of the Op. NJS/717 is an absolute goldmine for GoD (I suspect a bit cheaper than JQ unless the bureaucracy weighs NJS down...).

Could you explain to us then where you get the 717 and the 737 going to the same place (ie KG, KA, BM) how come the 717 fares are always a little more expensive for the same flight? And you don't get any inflight entertainment.

Obviously Ansett & Taa-Taas had it wrong when they ordered the 727 & DC9 all those years ago. YSCB, YAYE, YBAS, etc. have historically had troubles during the summer months.

Could a 738 pilot advise if the 738 can take off at MBRW at all ports, all through the year?

Nev,

I can't. Except that the BabeLink girls seem to be better than the old dragons so you should pay more! :} All I'm pointing out is that the NJS 717 op for QF is a good deal. Ripping off the punters? That's up to you to decide. A very very good deal for GoD and his shareholders? Yep Yep.

CC, the DC9 had/has a lot less performance than the 717 but yes you are correct the old Diesel struggled in hot/high combinations with a full load.

Is this "admiral" returned from Japan by chance ?

Cheers Oz2

I think you'll find QF/QFlink Pricing and Yield control the pricing for both QF and QFlink flights on any route the duplicate. No conspiracy.

Just as a brief example, Sun 12 Nov PER-BME
QF1930 still selling Red-e-Deals $255o/w (QFlink)
QF1074 only selling Fully Flexible $690o/w (Mainline)

or Sun 12 Nov PER-KGI
QF1884 $165o/w (QFlink)
QF1064 $250o/w (Mainline)

:ugh:

Hats off to the QFLink Cabin Crew recruiting team absolute sterling job :} :}
Not only in the looks department but they do a fantastic job in sometimes very trying circumstances. (Just think planeload of miners and you'll get the idea!)

Had a hunt through a few prices and it seems that QF have taken my comments on board as the flights I compared now have the same redi-deal prices regardless of aircraft. Doh:ugh: Whereas it used to be that the 717 was an extra 10-20 dollars more.

Well you lot I've done a little research and apart from an aberration at AYQ (what is that NAV up to?) the 717 is equal to or better in performance than the mighty 146-300/507 at all of the ports it regularly goes to. The fact that it can carry another 30 passengers when it's cooler (ie tourist season) is a bonus. So it seems that using it to replace the 146 wasn't such a bad idea, esp when the option of hotting up the donks hasn't even been used yet.

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