Mid-air bomb plot 'a major threat
 

Heathrow Closed to all flights not already airborne
Brussels cancels all flights to UK
Lufthansa cancels all to UK
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20081564-2,00.html

Why don't we have consistent security screening of ALL airside staff at ALL airports????? Why are some airside staff treated like criminals while going to work, while others (generally with grubbier pasts) still waltz airside each day without a glance?????

WAKE UP AUSTRALIA!!!!!!!!!!

Forget about looking for Nanna's "sinister" nail clippers! Get real and start looking for sinister people! Find them, ban them and tell the bleeding heart, whale kissing, moon maidens that repeatedly defend the civil rights of such pigs to GET F#$KED!

Time to take a hard line and get real about protecting Australians! Start barking up the right trees! Better to be seen as a nation of c*&ts that a nation of DEAD c*&nts!

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Give it a few years and PAX will have to fly nude with no other items, with checked baggage flying on a dedicated freighter..

Although, as long as they still serve alcohol it probably will be a most enjoyable nude flight (for some) :}

With the no liquids thing.. how long before no catering is allowed. Perhaps just put pax to sleep with drugs then no-one can do anything :E

Actually.. given the pictures on the news of thousands of people in a queue to get through security. Why do the naughty people even bother trying to bomb a plane when they could just walk into the terminal and kill 5x more people in the queue. :(

unfortunately these people will ruin air travel for all and result in a decline in leasure travel. I for one don't mind lining up for security screening but there has to be a better way. :uhoh:

About says it all
 

Good old Buzzy has been quiet of late, did Wooms have anything to do with this?

Anyway this time he has a VERY VAILD POINT!!:D

Cheers
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Your first idea - already been done - Ben Gurion Airport, Tel Aviv, May 1972.

Second idea - there is a better way: five-year validity on passports (rather than ten) and more stringent checks when you apply for one; the shorter validity means more frequent checks. Nought to hide, nought to fear from a bit of probing.

Don't like your background being looked into? Fine, you have a choice - fly and have your background looked at or don't fly and keep your background to yourself.

Now I'm not trying to stir or re-open the ASIC debate here, but how's this for logic: if airside workers need an ASIC - and so have their backgrounds checked - then it follows that others who go airside (ie. passengers) should also have their backgrounds checked. OK, punters might only go airside once in a blue moon, but a miscreant only has to get lucky once.

Yes it would cost more, but I'd pay it for peace of mind. And a seat on your NudeAir flight.

Couldn't agree more on that. It seems to me that the world has to have a bully somewhere. It used to be the soviet union but they got knocked off their perch. Now the worlds bully is the terrorist movement and as long as the remaining world powers continue with this politically correct "let's all be nice" crap, we're fornicated. I say nuke the middle east and get it over and done with, sure there'd be condemnation from the rest of the world, but that would soon go away after a couple of years of true world peace.

Tailie. I think you're overlooking the fact that in some countries even Dr Crippen could get a Police Clearance and valid Passport!!!

But I'm rather partial to Frozo's kinky suggestion!!!

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Sunny Woomera

:D Well bloody said.

Not nice! :mad: Woomera

And I can just see Woomera enjoying himself flying on the cheapest possible LLC with the smallest seat-pitch in the industry...in his requested middle seat in the centre row. :E

"Hmm, need to get up and walk around, excuse me...:}...excuse me...:}...mmm excuse me! :}


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Terror
 

I was just browsing through cable TV and I came across Air Crash Investigation, PAL flight 434!!

Three minutes into watching it I noticed that this documentary is resembling more and more what 'nearly' happened over in the UK/USA just recently. Couldnt help but think these kind of programs might be sending the wrong messages to the wrong people??

What do you think?

That's a little harsh Zep.
Israel is the only country in the region that operates under the same/similar democratic principles that we purport to. Any major conflict that has occurred in the middle east over the last few decades in which Israel has been involved, has been started by the guys on the other side of the fence.
Those same countries have sat idley by over the past 25 years with a rather smug look on their collective faces and have been more than happy for Iran to do their bidding and stick it up Israel, safe in the knowledge that they could then say "well, it wasn't us".
The fact of the matter is if it wasn't for the oil, the rest of the world would have passed the Arabs by decades ago. The Arab world is rotting on the vine.
Iran is responsible directly and indirectly for most of what goes under the name of terrorism today. That's what the Arab world has achieved by their inaction.
They now have a country right next door that is racing towards obtaining nuclear weapons capability as quickly as they can possibly go. The Saudies, the Egyptions, the Jordanians are worried big time. Serve the f*%#@'s right.
The clerics that have the ultimate say in Iran are well and truly rooted in the seventh century. The regime would have to be the most irresponsible, tyranical, oppressive, dictatorial, authoritarian, contemtable, despotic group of collective assholes on the planet.
And I'm sick and tired that such a backward horde of pr!cks are creating and getting away with so much mayhem. Unfortunately because they're sitting on top of so much oil, I can't see them being nuked anytime soon.
What a shame!
I despise them and what they stand for.
Basically, I want them drawn and quartered, I want them on the rack, I want them electrocuted, I want them injected with some sort of nasty virus, I want them fried, I want them shot, I want them drowned, I want them blown into a million bits, I want them stone motherless f#@%^ing dead!
If there's a button that can be pushed somewhere to achieve this, I'm first inline!!!
..........better crawl back into bed I think.

Is it ironic that this is probably what they think of you too! The difference is that they have the means (or are seeking the means) to do it. For those interested in the differences between Islam and the west I can recommend two books. 'Islam in our backyard' is one of them and 'mosques and miracles' is the other!

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It's enlightened post such as yours, and others of the same ilk, that ensure that world peace won't be known in our time.

My kids are half Egyptian but born and bred in Australia. On their behalf, I hope "the f*%#@'s get you first. :mad:

but I do fear probing, I've seen Border Security :bored::ooh::eek::{

p.s never go and see Dr. Acula

Its true that religion is the root of all Evil and peace will never come until all religions are banned.
Just think how stupid it is, religion is chosen at birth by parents, It should not be allowed until a person is 21 and can decide for themselves.
The world could be such a great place but i do not see a very bright future , and the more miserable it becomes the quicker the end...

Just don't try to take those books of yours through screening up in LHR, Keg..... "Tea and biccies, Mr Manning? I'd love to!"

A word of caution before this thread heads any further down hill!

The Islamic religion does not promote violence and the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful people, equally as frustrated and angered by the extremist zealots, as the rest of the world. Innocent Muslins are also suffering and dying.

All religions have their lunatic, zealot, fundamentalist fringe dwellers. Christian zealots throughout history, from the Inquisition, the KKK, to the more recent Jonestown People’s Temple and Waco Branch Davidians are no better than the fundamentalists behind the current terror scourge that has permeated our society.

Ill informed, bigoted and biased religious comment will not be tolerated on this forum.

The topic is “Mid-air bomb plot 'a major threat” which may be discussed – without ludicrous and unnecessary religious bigotry!

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Sunny Woomera

Yes, but the religios extremist groups you have mentioned here have not declared a war on the entire Western society and made it their "god" given right to kill as many people as possible to gain access to whatever paradise they aspire to.

i would call the groups you mentioned more of a cult than a gloabl religios group with global influence.

This is probably a bad idea, but I have to correct Woomeras comments regarding what Islam teaches. I'm only offering this as a matter of fact, I have no axe to grind!

Islam, via the Koran, explicitly commands it's adherents to kill all those who are not Muslim, and in particular, Christians. The evidence for this is contained in Surah 5:9, which reads:-

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them, for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

"Forbidden months" may mean the month of Ramadan (forbidden for fighting- according to some) or in context it appears to mean months of treaty with the Pagans.

The word translated "Pagans" is literally "the associators" or those who have committed the crime of associating a partner with Allah. The Arabic verb is 'shirk', or to associate. The word 'musharikiin' means "associators".

This can only describe Christians, because Christians say (from a Muslim's perspective), that Jesus is equal to Allah. So a native Arabic reader sees "...kill the Christians wherever you find them...."

I would be the first to agree that the vast majority of Muslims are kind, hospitable, loving people. I have spent time in Arab countries and so have first-hand knowledge of this. I have friends who are muslims, and they are great people. However, I have also lived in Bradford and Birmingham in the UK, where the Madrassas (schools) routinely preach hatred and death to all westerners. Hundreds of thousands of young Muslims are being taught that Westerners are the enemy, and that death by strapping a bomb to your chest will bring great rewards in heaven. This is well-known, particularly since 9/11.

The danger of Islam is that it provides a mechanism for mobilising an army, bent on the destruction of anyone who does not convert to Islam. It may not be actively doing this in NZ or Oz, but it is happening in many other countries, including the UK - as we have seen in the last weeks in news reports, with Tony Blair being threatened with death if he does not convert.

Anyway, I offer that purely to redress the balance, as the PC thing to do is to say that Islam is a peaceful religion. By it's own admission, it isn't. Bush got it right the other day when he referred to a "war with Islamic fascists".

Yes, I must take issue with Woomera too. Before I do, let me say that commenting on these issues in an intellectually honest way is not bigotry. Hopefully we will not fall victim to mindless PC censorship in this discussion.

For a start, the Inquisition and the KKK have nothing, fundamentally, to do with Christianity. The first was political, the second supremacist, and although both aligned themselves with Christianity, there is nothing in that faith that permits or encourages either. Jonestown (The Peoples Temple) started out Christian, but went off the rails and ended up with virtually no Christian content - the manner of their deaths being an affront to Christian teaching. The Branch Davidians were closer to Christianity, and in their case their infamy has more to do with the manner of their ending than what they actually believed.

The big difference between Islam and virtually all other religions, is that Islam not only encourages the killing of those who are not adherents, but it also puts in place a legal framework that permits the routine beheading or amputation of those who fail to adhere to what is a very rigid legal framework. How either of those two characteristics can exist in a religion that is described as "peaceful", is quite beyond me.

The leaders of the western countries that are aligned against terrorism, are stuck in a PC hell. They can't denounce Islam, but on the other hand, they know that the more violent teachings of the Koran - the bits that nobody wants to talk about - are how the fundamentalists justify themselves to the Muslim world. Eventually, somebody is going to have to call a spade a spade, as Bush seems to be increasingly doing.