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SM4 Pirate 14th Mar 2006 22:03

Is this the same software development team that made the PC SIM? What PC SIM? Exactly my point.

Imagine if you will a bad weather exercise, pretty common across sim courses, 'for ident' - reply 'No restrictions' even if there are, because scripting any possible confliction is next to impossible. Zero chance of making an amendment on a run to highlight or concentrate on fixing a weakness.

The concept of high fidelity simulation is just that, what we have no is quite poor do to lack of real aircraft performance, ie a B747 at FL350 turning 90 degrees in 2 paints, or 12 seconds; imagine just how more unreal it could get. They still haven't been able to get a hold at button on the TGO screens, in what, 9 years of TAAATS SIM... It's a joke to imagine that we would be able to do anything that will save one body in the SIM.

I'd have thought that this small pool of staff was not the real issue. Low hanging fruit, should not be consumed to spite the tree...

Shitsu_Tonka 15th Mar 2006 06:37

Maybe they could start with the Telstra Information System:

Please say the name of the person: "Elle McPherson"

You said:"Hot Dog" Is this correct?

"No - Elle McPherson"

"You said No Hot Dog - is this correct?"

arrrgh.

"Cleared for ILS Approach"

"You said Go Around - would you like to play again?"

Binoculars 16th Mar 2006 03:01

That just about sums up voice recognition software, ST. :)

I've never had it successfully recognise anything ever, but my own personal favourite was when I was trying to ring a mate in Ambidji group. As soon as I heard the voice recognition kick in I thought, hmm, this will be a total waste of time.

Please say the name.
Ambidji.
long pause...
You said, Melbourne Cricket Ground, is that correct?

I was actually rendered speechless by the utter lack of similarity. Still shake my head over that one. :uhoh:

max1 17th Mar 2006 00:52

Does sound a bit like emceegee (MCG) though

En-Rooter 17th Mar 2006 04:59

After 13 beers it does:cool:

Binoculars 17th Mar 2006 05:09

I confess I had never thought of that. :O

Jungmeister 17th Mar 2006 05:27

ATC ERB
 
Is it true that those few remaining controllers still eligible for ERB no longer are required to give 12 month's notice to ensure payment of Early Retirement Benefits?
If so that will surely put more pressure on to find replacement staff.
:hmm:

P|_azbot 17th Mar 2006 10:04


Originally Posted by peuce
Blind Fredy,
It's touching to see how much compassion you have for the poor sods who have to go home to their wife and kids and tell them that they no longer have a job!
A Senior ASA ATC Manager was once quoted as saying ... " you know why we have such a high support staff to Controller ratio? ... the Controllers are such high maintenance"
Will you be so gleeful when you want someone to organise a removalist for you, fix up a pay error, organise your salary sacrifice laptop/car, move you around on the roster, case manage you when you get stressed, remind you that your medical is due, complete a project that updates your equipment, change the documents to reflect a new rule, re-write that new rule, update your superannuation payments, show you how to make an application work, re-jig an application, fix the broken intercom, fix the gate to your car park etc etc etc ... and there is nobody there!
I hope, for your sake, that the rumored culling of Controllers over the next 12 months doesn't come to fuition.


These are the same punks that rolled over on us EBA before last. Our number 1 sticking point was 1 agreement for all and these very people voted within themselves to go it alone and shun the Operational/Tech staff. I personally see this as what goes around, comes around. Suck it up. You made your bed.

peuce 20th Mar 2006 03:38

Pl_azpot,

You've got a good memory... I can't remember the facts too well, but I'll take your word for it. Having said that, I'm sure there would have been two sides to the argument at the time.

However ... no matter what the historical facts are ... the current situation, as I detailed, remains unchanged .. no matter how badly you feel done by, there's still going to be no one to do your chores.

P|_azbot 20th Mar 2006 07:56

The 'chores' will still be done. The duplication is gone. There are a few notable high profile names amongst them. Imagine if the Clerks were still with the operational guys. They would be covered by the no Redundencies Clause. Oh well. Too bad, so sad.

The arguement 'at the time' demons will come and haunt the Operational staff in years to come as well.

CaptainMidnight 21st Mar 2006 06:54

Heard your CEO has taken a particular GM under his wing. Defers to him, has him by his side at meetings, and the GM has the CEOs ear at all times. I've heard that the particular GM isn't a popular individual - I guess you guys know more?

SM4 Pirate 21st Mar 2006 08:21

Come now CM, more seeds please... Just some intitials or previous task etc... I'm guessing it would be KM, but I'm only guessing, but if I were GR and I were to pick anyone it would be the one I knew previously...

missy 21st Mar 2006 09:34

SA, NO, JH, RD, WE, AB, AH, BP, KM, KO, AC. I'd have thought either RD, BP or KM.

karrank 22nd Mar 2006 02:59

Just decoded a previous post (thanks to research in Jet Blast). Yes, we have had a few, and we now have another. Do we have to buy his house yet?

SEAGULL MANAGER – A manager who flies in, makes a lot of noise, craps on everything, and then leaves.
From the same place, this seemed appropriate:

[ADMINISPHERE – The rarefied organisational layers beginning just above the rank and file. Decisions that fall from the “Adminisphere” are often profoundly inappropriate or irrelevant to the problems they were designed to solve. This is often affiliated with the dreaded “administrivia” – needless paperwork and processes.

CaptainMidnight 22nd Mar 2006 05:57


Originally Posted by missy
SA, NO, JH, RD, WE, AB, AH, BP, KM, KO, AC. I'd have thought either RD, BP or KM.

BP.

Also fresh from the rumour mill: heard that one RHS has written to your CEO complaining about the appointment of a certain acting GM of your Airspace and Environment Unit. Something about not being happy with the individual for some reason. Whoever it is, has gone up in my estimation - and I have never met him :)

Complaining could be a good thing. P:mad: off the CEO and he's less likely to have a sympathetic ear.

karrank: thanks for that. I assumed it was something to do with being dumped on, but you've completed the picture :ok:

Safa 23rd Mar 2006 02:47

RHS doesn't have to interfere in ASA - it seems ok at wrecking itself at the moment. There do seem to be some good bits though. The towers are back with the rest of ATC.:)

Bad bit.............

Have just heard that the Centre Manager who was sent from ML to BN 3 years ago is leaving the organisation - he was the best manager we had seen. Perhaps our mates in BN wore him out. He was replaced in ML by some-one whose ego you couldn't jump over - he seems to have moved to CB and gone quiet - not for long I bet. Surely he must be next on the list.

P|_azbot 23rd Mar 2006 06:11

I believe the guy leaving Brisbane is doing so on health grounds and not health issues caused by the job. I only had limited dealings with him and I think he came with a view that we were all going to be hostile to him and was a little hostile in advance. Not hard to be the best centre manager when you look at the others that held the job.

Funk 24th Mar 2006 08:09

I am sorry that he has had to leave on health grounds. We in Bn were told how good a guy he was only to be dissapointed, just another cog in the management machine.
The current restructure I suspect will just be a new bucket for the same ****, good luck fellas.

ER_BN 24th Mar 2006 09:26

ATC New Managment in Centres
 
Why do we need 5 managers in BN and ML center when 2 (albeit apparently not all that great from previous posts) were sufficient before. How does the CEO justify an increase of 150% in centre management when cutting the general staff by 10%??

welcome_stranger 24th Mar 2006 11:09

The ex-manager left tonight. Was given the letter told to hand in his pass and let out the door. Nothing to the troops, nothing in on the web page.

Although I may have had differences with the man I still would have like to wish him the best, especially after all the sh!t he went through in hospital.


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