Dear oh dear. My veiled attempt , via a rediculous analogy, to point out the the D!ckhead attitudes of people like QF insider and Pete has sailed way over your heads!! My point being, blaiming one particular group for the state of Aus aviation is crazy. Management decisions are what has changed the face of flying in this country. As the keepers of the batten of perfect aviation, many mainliners seem to be very ill informed as to what actualy is affecting them. As far as joining AIPA, when was the last approach to the pilot body from them. Id think they should be chasing us, not the other way around.
Why join a group that does not have your best interests at heart? You wouldnt!!!

By the way, does the mainline ops manual have a section dedicated to your role as a guard policemen while on duty in a QF aircraft? Ive noticed recently how fervent you seem to be. Keep up the "good work". 121.5 must be kept free for your PAs!!!!

PS pete, the paint scheme is still looking good. lets have a beer old mate.

DM

Guys, this is exactly the sort of antagonism that management seek to encourage. As an example, you need look no further than someone fairly high up the tree in the mainline organisation trying to spread the rumour that "the Jetstar pilots have agreed to fly the A330 for A320 rates +2%" :yuk: Then expecting mainline crews to spread it around to all of their compatriots. :mad: Why? Have a think about it. Have a think about who stands to gain the most from all of the division & squabbling - management. No wonder they're happy to exploit the divisions between the different pilot groups and, and when things seem as though they're about to start to head in the right direction, attempt to spread scurrilous rumours to increase the rift... :yuk:

There may be some of the older generation of mainline pilots who want to take the 'shut everyone out' option - however, as others have noted, this only plays into the hands of management. I belive that this is the biggest stumbling block that the current AIPA Committee (the 'new' AIPA) have to deal with. If everyone is serious about sorting out the problems that are dragging down the levels of pilot remuneration at present, we need our respective organisations to get together, and put aside their differences, for the common good. That means mainline NOT saying "everyone else can start at the bottom of the list", the various regionals NOT saying "I've got 20 years of seniority, so I should go from the Dash straight to the left hand seat of the 744" and the Jetstar guys NOT saying "I've got an A320 command, so I'll go straight to the A380 when it comes on line".

Sure, I don't expect there to be a resolution straight away, but it would be promising to see all the parties sitting down & at least DISCUSSING the issues at hand.... :ok:

Hey DM, the next time you post, try not to do it when you have had a few sherbets!!

You may have summed it up for you guys, why join AIPA if as a result, some of your flying may be curtailed. If your that worried about what AIPA may or may not do for you, why don't you guys approach them with a list of questions and assurances you would need prior to joining up?

It is time allot of you guys lose the antogonism as well.

I'd gladly have a beer with you old mate.

Sorry for those who are too young to have really appreciated season one of MASH, but Hawkeye's words ring true after more than 30 years.

When every pilot stops operating on the three basic emotions of the simian brain, and starts using their cerebral cortex's instead, then we may advance OUR profession.

We are up against management that have had the time to use their cerebral cortex's and are patiently hacking away at our conditions by playing to those emotions of pilots rather than their intellects. Sorry to say but they are making us look like a bunch of apes.

Stop it with the petty point-scoring. Who cares whose feelings got hurt years ago? Get unified or end up getting paid the peanuts that monkeys deserve.

I am talking to ALL interested pilot parties here.

Thanx, Borg. Well stated:ok:

You can all ponder that as we apply the padlock. This thread has run its course.

Woomera (Eastern States)