Philthy. Where I work there was a traffic management NOTAM yesterday and a TIBA NOTAM last Tuesday both due staff shortage. Looks like Monday will be TIBA also. Far from all hugs and kisses. Unfortunately there are some who complain about the staffing but take the EDs. Own worst enemies the greedy mob.

TIBA is high level NAS isn't it?

bushy,

Not even close.

BTW, BN approach went very close to having some sort of TIBA airspace tomorrow. Luckily some accomodating staff have shuffled their shifts around to man the consoles (including one of the current supervisors).

DP - do you think BN TMA will go TIBA sometime within the next week? after a few ED's people will be getting bored i imagine

Single man doggo on approach in BN tonight. They may have to go TIBA for a short time so the approach guy can just go and have a slash.

As long as the 'apologists' keep taking the ED's they will string the place together - whilst their colleagues bide their time.

There sure are some rich apologists around at the moment.

Hope they don't complain when they get shafted - all because they couldn't bare to spend their days off with their family.

A gentle warning, people, whichever side of the fence you perceive yourself as being on. A house divided cannot stand.

The "vocal minority" in Brisbane who, we are told, are "spoiling for a fight" would do well to heed the lessons of 1989. I suggest you dismount from your high horses long enough to accept the existence of an alternative viewpoint.

What view point is that?

Binos, there's at least one large outstation that has no yay-sayers at all. Not a BN minority at all. This proposal is a total crock and anybody who votes yes either stands directly to win big (is there any party?) or doesn't believe in their own worth and is prepared to take yet another paycut.
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Gentlemen, I'm happy to accept that there is a percentage of ATC's who are loudly and viciously anti this proposal. That's fair enough. I won't attempt to quantify that number because I have no idea, except to guess fairly confidently that it is less than 100%. By itself that should tell ThrillMan that even if it's beyond his imagination, some ATC personnel think that in the overall scheme of life we are not doing badly. That,, ThrillMan, is the other viewpoint you apparently can't conceive of.

There are clearly points such as the FPC nonsense which have to be addressed. I'm not suggesting a blind capitulation to everything, rather a gentle suggestion that general pay increases at least equivalent to CPI are difficult to argue against without betraying an outraged ego, especially when you are well into the $100K bracket.

But please don't let such philosophies distract you from your rage, nor let it detract from the actual point in my previous post. Ignore it at your peril.

Perhaps the rage comes from dealing with comments like your Bino's?

If we were all comfortably in the 100K salaries as you infer (not unlike our friend Dudley will be spouting in the media no doubt) you might have a point.

The demographics have changed my friend. The MAJORITY of ATC now earn far less than that.

We are not ALL so comfortably close to retirement as to not want to fight for our true worth.

If the division comes from people worried about their FAS, maybe they should have been supporting the B-Scalers who now make up the numbers?

Or as you say - stop creating the Divisions.

Binos,

Almost-CPI is a pay cut

Almost-Average Weekly Earnings is a pay cut

If you are embarressed about earning over $100k then feel free to be a little philanthropic with your excess wealth. For the rest of us with a long career ahead, every percentage we lose now has an enormous impact at the end.

Regarding 89, I've head many stories, all contridictory. Perhaps you'd like to post them on the civil air site to educate the majority of controllers who've been employed in the last 16 years.
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Considering the offer is effectivley 3% p/a (last pay increase was 1/1/05 - next after this agreement would be 1/1/09), on gross salary, which will equate to about 1.9% on average after tax.

CPI is minimum 3% (if you beleive the way they calculate it).

So let us warmly embrace this reduction in pay as reward for our productivity that the CEO and Executive base their own pornographic pay rises on?

I think not.

Duffman,

I second your comments.

What a pathetic bunch of weak c**nts Australians have become to accept the rhetoric that the political and business liars propagate?? Since when should CPI be a measure of a payrise? And since when should making it to the 'lofty' heights of a 100k salary be the cut-off for future payrises? WTF?

Some of you apologists should get out into the real world to see what people are earning and I'm not talking about PAYG earners, I'm talking about the people who tell you they can't afford to give you a pay rise. The type that hide their income in trusts and companies etc.

Nomorecrap,

As one of the fellows that takes the 'odd' ED, I'm quite happy to start knocking them back, if and when there is a written or 'un-written' directive to do so. I've only heard on the grapevine that our Brissy colleagues have had enough. I've heard nothing down in bleak city.

To the b scalers, I wont be voting for anything less than a full FPC fix, that's my starting point, let alone the garbage that's been offered. Why would anybody accept less money for an ED, once again, WTF?

And the gutless, "remember '89 brigade". You don't have to resign your job or go on strike to achieve an end. Ever heard of work to rule? The place would be crippled if all project work stopped. The last thing ASA wants is to be embarrassed overseas by not being able to deliver.

Remember, this lot run around the globe telling all and sundry how good their staff are and what they've achieved, when they get home they tell you how dire things are. They sound like the management mob at our biggest cutomer, whinging tossers!

Grow a spine ya bastards!

Enrooter

Obviously there can be no official work to rule whilst not protected.

But how anyone can be oblivious to the 'proposed' campaigns is beyond me.

How anyone can consider propping up the system whilst being 'offered' the insult sitting at the bottom of the current bag of puke is even more bewildering.

I don't think anyone in a certain Northern centre is under any doubt as to what the campaign 'should' be. Judging by the fact that it seems to be the 'same old few' spending all their days off at work is evidence enough.

They have probably effectively got themselves a 10% payrise recently over the rest of their colleagues.

How hungry of them.

No Avcharges tonight!

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