Accounting and politics are all smoke and mirrors.

Saying QANTAS must be doing things right, because they are making record profits, is a bit akin to saying Australia is doing things right because we have had falling unemployment for years. Bullsmit.

If you change the guidlines on who can be termed unemployed, of course you can get the figures down. Why don't we look at the total number of people recieving benefit or assistance rather than concentrating on "unemployed" what about the "under employed"

My point being that QANTAS similarly fiddles the system to post artificial profits.

Destroy the work and ambitions of a few thousand previously loyal personnel. That should be good for a few more cents on the bottom line.

If you don't invest in the future, (plant, equipment, personnel), you can inflate the bottom line. Looks good for now but what will it look like in the not to distant future when Geffy slips out with his gold lined pockets? Inventory will be down to a few dozen, written down to zero, aircraft with no significant value on the open market. The new broom checks out the bickkie barrell to start building the airline up to the standard it had and should have maintained, but hasn't. Massive borrowings, stuff all colateral. It ain't going to be pretty.

But will Geffy or the bowtie care?

The ones who will bear the sour fruit of this policy will be those blinkered souls who blunder on thinking all is well in Geffys world cos "we are the only premium carrier making a profit" and apart from that we're far better at this stuff than all the rest of the world. FIGJAM.

Geffy is obviously the most brilliant Airline CEO in the world, or the whole thing is an illusion. I don't see that there can be any other answer.

I let you make up your mind which is more the more likely scenario.

And to add my sixpence worth to the other aspect of this discussion. I purchase tickets on a monthly basis, I will only travel with the Q if there is no other suitable option. The service is crap, and the attitude of the staff is appalling. Gave up using ID travel long ago as Q has made it as difficult and as unpleasnt as possible. Buy over the internet now and where possible direct my money to those who appreciate it.

TO

Boys and Girl's,

Have things really become this sad in Qantas ?!

Sad is not the word
 

All that you read here about QF has a direct corellation to the service(Not)provided.Everyone has pretty much given up.I stay because I am bloody minded and I am not going to let these swine win.I will leave when I am ready and not because I have been threatened by Dixon`s Qestapo.Whatever negative comments are made here about Qantas...I agree with them .
I have been 23 years and the place, now, has all the happiness of a morgue.

Well, back on topic here... with all this mention of stopping in NZ vs. HNL... why not just fly UA direct??? Flight UA870 leaves SYD at near MTOW everyday from what I've been told. Must be doing something write...

Their international service is regarded as pretty good, definately better than the domestic service. Price is no different than QF or UA to LA... and you get tons of connecting options for N. America. That'd my choice hands down.

More importantly I reckon Longreach has got it right here... QF needs to get its assets sorted out quickly before Virgin/Singapore get into the action. The 743 may just be a temp equip for the route... with such high density seating I would think people would make other travel arrangements.

you're right, high density seating is an understatement.
398 people in economy is too tight, and 8 crew.
Usually on this aircraft the IFE and lights go out in "E" zone, or the lights come on in the middle of the night, then 398 people want to go walk around.
They should sell the thing or simply convert it to cargo... do anything but dont put people in it.
Not long ago we had to place the cardboard on the floor to soak up the liquids that were coming from the drain, the punters loved having their feet squishing around!

Dixon`s Retirement
 

That smug philandering,alcoholic has got about 18 months of his tenure left.Borghetti is being groomed as his replacement.He would have left earlier except Jackson forgot to organise/groom a replacement.How do these incompetent twits rise to these positions?

The inventory is an interesting way to artificially inflate the bottom line, at least for a bit...Take a drive past YMAV and see a classic sitting there with no engines coz there aint any stock!

The succession plan is another risk...Bogetti is nothing but a used car salesman in a slick suit. Don't know much about aircraft and doesnt have too, he is an executive. Him or the bean counter wont be able to fix the mess they have created as they are simply part of the problem, Dixon is only the mouthpiece for the board, they all sign off on this crap.
Rest assured they will hide the refurb of the classic, $100+million, like they hid the the "refurb" on the A330-200..A refurb on a brand new aircraft hmmmm...But i guess you can fool most of the people most of the time.

I find it ironic that the arguement forwarded by Q to the government over the Pacific route was the loss of local employment. Once SIA are out of it they come out in the media the day after and announce another 3,000 job cuts due fuel blah blah...No mainstream media commented on it...

The ironic thing is that they had an engagement survey, the results tell them pilots aren't happy..They couldn't care less as GD said He isn't seeing staff leaving in droves" The goodwill and thrill to be part of the airline has evaporated, along with the inventory and the ability to provide a superior service...But as that can't be counted it isn't tangbile..Sadly the customers know it, we know and even latterly the market has cottoned on to the fact that there aren't many new ideas in the cupboard..You can't continue to sell the skybed as your crowning achievement; three years after the event, yet they still do:(

Attrition Rate
 

No one wants to leave,as I see it,for several reasons:
1.They want to see these basturds fail and be found out
2.They want to stick around to see them off.
3.Once they are gone there is a tiny hope that things will improve
4.For others it is simply the hope of a VR
Thats why you don`t see people leaving in droves.
For me number 3 has resonance.

Keg, i must have been feeling guilty.........



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I thought i'd say some nice things, so that the nice people negotiating my EBA will give in, and give us all a 25% pay increase from the generosity of their hearts

Just thinking .... What bonus will GD get this year??
With some of the F*&%ups re A330 J* Asia etc ....:hmm:

(the refurb of the classic, $100+million)
some seats with tv and a quick coat of white paint on the inside it still looks like an old aircraft tarted up.