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To the Virgin Captain in Darwin very early Friday morning. "Look there goes a scab" comment directed at QF crew was incorrect, uncalled for and stupid. I am sure that most of your Virgin counterparts would be equally embarrassed. 89 was 14 years ago and most of the F/Os I fly with were still in primary school.
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There are drongoes on all sides of the aviation fence and their ranks reach into all airlines. I guess this example highlights that fact yet again! 
Can we just leave the name calling to the bloke (or gal) sitting next to us?!?!?! Besides that, even if you do want to call out names, I think every F/O on the B737 has joined QF post dispute and now a lot of the Captains are formerly from the 'other' side of the airline- not that their are sides anymore!
So not only does someone making that sort of comment about scabs show themselves to be ignorant but they'd also run a fair chance of being wrong.
Can we just leave the name calling to the bloke (or gal) sitting next to us?!?!?! Besides that, even if you do want to call out names, I think every F/O on the B737 has joined QF post dispute and now a lot of the Captains are formerly from the 'other' side of the airline- not that their are sides anymore!
So not only does someone making that sort of comment about scabs show themselves to be ignorant but they'd also run a fair chance of being wrong.
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Wunula on behalf of the NORMAL people at Virgin I would like to apologise for that comment being directed at you.Most of us have much better things to do than carry on with that sort of rubbish.
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In the good old days you could safely assume that all the QF Capts on the 737 were scabs. Not anymore, but having said that there are still plenty there.
Virgin have scabs now too from what we are led to believe so it must be one happy crewroom there these days.
Virgin have scabs now too from what we are led to believe so it must be one happy crewroom there these days.
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wunula I am embarrassed also. I am pre 89, realise I made the biggest mistake of my life not goiung back to work then, and have put it behind me. The only people who these idiots hurt are themselves. bonvol you sound like one of the idiots. I don't think there will be problems in the crew rooms. The word is out that if the 'new' guys are verbally roughed up it will be on from the top down. It's likely that they were only employed to reduce the chances of legal action for disxcrimination. If that's so, all the lunatics had better toe the line.
I'm not sure what these self styled idealists do now. resign?? If they have any principles they would. I've heard many times that some wouldn't work with "those" guys, so vote with your feet big mouths
I'm not sure what these self styled idealists do now. resign?? If they have any principles they would. I've heard many times that some wouldn't work with "those" guys, so vote with your feet big mouths
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Difficult to understand why you should be embarrassed VB_Capt.
If you are a member of the scab free society, then you should be proud of the fact you hold a higher status in the big picture of life than the scabs.
Maybe you should trot up to JR's office and tell him you should have scabbed back in '89.
I imagine there will be quite a few of your VB peers looking around to see who you might be.
It is one thing to wish the outcome of '89 would have been different. Quite another to wish you had scabbed.
Not exactly a statement for which you can be proud.
If you are a member of the scab free society, then you should be proud of the fact you hold a higher status in the big picture of life than the scabs.
Maybe you should trot up to JR's office and tell him you should have scabbed back in '89.
I imagine there will be quite a few of your VB peers looking around to see who you might be.
It is one thing to wish the outcome of '89 would have been different. Quite another to wish you had scabbed.
Not exactly a statement for which you can be proud.
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You seem pretty sure it was quote,"the Virgin Captain", wunula dreaming.
How do you know it didn't come from the Tower, a G.A. aircraft, or someone with a hand held transceiver?
VB_Capt, do you really work for Virgin Blue? You say, "I've heard many times that some wouldn't work with "those" guys, so vote with your feet big mouths", do you have the balls to tell the other VB pilots, "I am pre 89, realise I made the biggest mistake of my life not goiung back to work then."? I'll bet not - but then again I doubt that you do work in the capacity that your PPRuNe handle intimates!
How do you know it didn't come from the Tower, a G.A. aircraft, or someone with a hand held transceiver?
VB_Capt, do you really work for Virgin Blue? You say, "I've heard many times that some wouldn't work with "those" guys, so vote with your feet big mouths", do you have the balls to tell the other VB pilots, "I am pre 89, realise I made the biggest mistake of my life not goiung back to work then."? I'll bet not - but then again I doubt that you do work in the capacity that your PPRuNe handle intimates!
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Despite the plethora of opinion either one way or the other over what happened previously, does anyone really think it is necessary to descend into that sort of garbage? What possible good can come from it? It is merely poisoning the minds of a newer generation of pilot's who weren't even flying back then.
Here we are in the 21st centuary still name calling. Brilliant! Now that is a real sign of progress. Bring on the 22nd centuary!!!!!!!
Here we are in the 21st centuary still name calling. Brilliant! Now that is a real sign of progress. Bring on the 22nd centuary!!!!!!!
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Now SB, clearly you don't use much of the brain genetic material.
When are you and thise "youths" you are careful to protect going to understand you don't learn much unless you look at history?
It is a simple fact, son, ( I dare to imagine you are a male ), that unless pilots become UNITED, then the profession will continue down that spiral to worthlessness commenced by the shortsighted greed of the AN and TN/QF scabs.
It is indeed a sad day that VB have taken on scabs.
The brushfires so lit will pervade the outfit irresespective of Godfrey's decrees. if any.
Bright boys and girls don't allow situations to develop where they will start.
When are you and thise "youths" you are careful to protect going to understand you don't learn much unless you look at history?
It is a simple fact, son, ( I dare to imagine you are a male ), that unless pilots become UNITED, then the profession will continue down that spiral to worthlessness commenced by the shortsighted greed of the AN and TN/QF scabs.
It is indeed a sad day that VB have taken on scabs.
The brushfires so lit will pervade the outfit irresespective of Godfrey's decrees. if any.
Bright boys and girls don't allow situations to develop where they will start.
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Hey Kapt. Don't forget to tell everyone that YOU applied to go back to AN in January 90. and got knocked back. thats why your so p****d off.
And why would a GA pilot or even ATC say that, you seem to think they would give a s**t.
And why would a GA pilot or even ATC say that, you seem to think they would give a s**t.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
You've been around long enough to know the game plan, oicur - instead of trying to hijack this thread, why not start one of your own.
I'm off for a couple of days as of Tuesday, so go your hardest.
"And why would a GA pilot or even ATC say that, you seem to think they would give a s**t.". Much to your amazement
some of them do.
You see 1989 was a lot about the future direction of Australian aviation; upholding a principle; not ratting on your fellow employees for personal gain; mega-powerful, mega-wealthy individuals abusing their power; and mates sticking together, etc.
It's sad to see that some of you still don't fit in with the Australian way of life, and the doctrines we hold closest, whilst others, eg. G.A. pilots and ATCO's (for example), have long memories.
Go4it, oicur!
I'm off for a couple of days as of Tuesday, so go your hardest.
"And why would a GA pilot or even ATC say that, you seem to think they would give a s**t.". Much to your amazement
some of them do.You see 1989 was a lot about the future direction of Australian aviation; upholding a principle; not ratting on your fellow employees for personal gain; mega-powerful, mega-wealthy individuals abusing their power; and mates sticking together, etc.
It's sad to see that some of you still don't fit in with the Australian way of life, and the doctrines we hold closest, whilst others, eg. G.A. pilots and ATCO's (for example), have long memories.
Go4it, oicur!
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Desert Digger thanks for the advice. I'd say my history is okay but what that has to do with name calling is beyond me. By your reckoning it would be alright to deride and sledge the Japanese, germans etc for indiscretions 50 years ago. How adult!!
I was flying well before the trouble started 14 YEARS ago and had the opportunity to join Ansett but declined. My wholesale hatred of Hawke and the double standards prevailing at the time sickened me, and my moral judgement was to stay in GA. Again this has NOTHING to do with this subject!!
A mature adult sledging another is best left for the bleaches at the MCG. How some of us calling others names helps us to unite as a group is another mystery. The fact I disagreed with these lads going back to work is irrelevant. Calling them names is NEVER going to make it better. If I have to work with some of them I certainly will not be descending to the depths you condone to help them settle in.
The KAPT made reference to the "Australian way of life". That being a fair go etc. Perhaps they don't deserve a fair go but let's get a grip on reality hey. Name calling over the radio is pathetic!
I was flying well before the trouble started 14 YEARS ago and had the opportunity to join Ansett but declined. My wholesale hatred of Hawke and the double standards prevailing at the time sickened me, and my moral judgement was to stay in GA. Again this has NOTHING to do with this subject!!
A mature adult sledging another is best left for the bleaches at the MCG. How some of us calling others names helps us to unite as a group is another mystery. The fact I disagreed with these lads going back to work is irrelevant. Calling them names is NEVER going to make it better. If I have to work with some of them I certainly will not be descending to the depths you condone to help them settle in.
The KAPT made reference to the "Australian way of life". That being a fair go etc. Perhaps they don't deserve a fair go but let's get a grip on reality hey. Name calling over the radio is pathetic!
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"Lest we Forget"
Just as we remember our fallen in war so we remember our fallen from 89.
Whilst its not acceptable to wrongly accuse anyone for such an atrocity and that should never happen. But if you know for sure, 14 years or 100 years you go right on ahead and stick the boots in and "dont you forget", because that my friend is all that prevents history from repeating itself.
Just as we remember our fallen in war so we remember our fallen from 89.
Whilst its not acceptable to wrongly accuse anyone for such an atrocity and that should never happen. But if you know for sure, 14 years or 100 years you go right on ahead and stick the boots in and "dont you forget", because that my friend is all that prevents history from repeating itself.
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You are friggin kidding !!!!
How can you compare the loss of life with a grab for a 29 % pay rise for ones self. You put my relations who DIED in the same category.
The whole 89 C#@p is such a joke !!!
Ps In 100 years not a single living human being will give a rats arse about a pathetic little incident in 1989...
You are friggin kidding !!!!
How can you compare the loss of life with a grab for a 29 % pay rise for ones self. You put my relations who DIED in the same category.
The whole 89 C#@p is such a joke !!!
Ps In 100 years not a single living human being will give a rats arse about a pathetic little incident in 1989...
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Am glad that I don't have to fly with some of you '89 w**kers.
You are still so p*ssed at the blokes who had the guts to save the nation from a union directed mob.
There was a fair share who were just bunches of lazy, yellow bellied, thieving, mob-action, pack of mongels who tried to hold this great country to ransome.
What did you gain?
Proof of your over sized egos; the need to have more assets than their colleagues next door; and, or to assume a power-play attitude with the rest of the country.
It really is too late for you pathetic excuses for ex-professionals that you were once in this industry.
You have deserved everything that you've brought on yourselves.
War?
What war. You were all so yellow-bellied that you resigned and crawled away on your collective gravel marketd guts.
There was no fight.
It was a bunch of girls cat-fighting on the side while the real issues were ignored.
Just a bunch of pathetic wooses...
Thank God the rest of the industry is run by professionals who enjoy their work; and this pathetic micro-section of mainline aviation will accept that they made a massive mistake a half-generation ago.
You are still so p*ssed at the blokes who had the guts to save the nation from a union directed mob.
There was a fair share who were just bunches of lazy, yellow bellied, thieving, mob-action, pack of mongels who tried to hold this great country to ransome.
What did you gain?
Proof of your over sized egos; the need to have more assets than their colleagues next door; and, or to assume a power-play attitude with the rest of the country.
It really is too late for you pathetic excuses for ex-professionals that you were once in this industry.
You have deserved everything that you've brought on yourselves.
War?
What war. You were all so yellow-bellied that you resigned and crawled away on your collective gravel marketd guts.
There was no fight.
It was a bunch of girls cat-fighting on the side while the real issues were ignored.
Just a bunch of pathetic wooses...
Thank God the rest of the industry is run by professionals who enjoy their work; and this pathetic micro-section of mainline aviation will accept that they made a massive mistake a half-generation ago.