Productivity Of Qantas Longhaul Pilots
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oicur12, it would be nice to think that, but hard to believe when we have pulled out of Buenos Aires, Chicago, Rome, Vancouver, Mumbai, Vanuatu, and Port Moresby in that time... ordering new planes and getting pilots is only one part of it.
Don't forget that Emirates has just placed the largest aircraft order in HISTORY.
Qantas pilots generally have less income than pilots with other comparitive airlines (especially when fringe/living benefits are included). Short Haul the 767 crews are fantastic value, and Long Haul we're one of only 3 airlines worldwide to employ Second Officers (others are KLM, and Cathay)! Average SOs are paid less than half that of the average FO - let alone Captain. AND the FOs have to train to, and maintain command proficiency.
N2000, SOs divisor is at 80 hours per month, I think CPT/FO is 87.5 (but not certain on that). So slightly more than yourself
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Don't forget that Emirates has just placed the largest aircraft order in HISTORY.
Qantas pilots generally have less income than pilots with other comparitive airlines (especially when fringe/living benefits are included). Short Haul the 767 crews are fantastic value, and Long Haul we're one of only 3 airlines worldwide to employ Second Officers (others are KLM, and Cathay)! Average SOs are paid less than half that of the average FO - let alone Captain. AND the FOs have to train to, and maintain command proficiency.
N2000, SOs divisor is at 80 hours per month, I think CPT/FO is 87.5 (but not certain on that). So slightly more than yourself
Lancer
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Lancer, that's credit hours though.
N2000, last time I did the maths it worked out to be abotu 850ish (plus or minus 50). It is certainly not uncommon to hear that some people keep running up against the 900 hours- especially up beginning of last year when QF kept asking for leave back!
N2000, last time I did the maths it worked out to be abotu 850ish (plus or minus 50). It is certainly not uncommon to hear that some people keep running up against the 900 hours- especially up beginning of last year when QF kept asking for leave back!
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Lancer,
The comparative airlines you mention do not come into the picture – KLM and Cathay. The dreaded infidels in HR will not be using these carriers when benchmarking your salary.
They will be using carriers such as Cathay Freighters where an Oz based pilot is on considerably less than a QF pilot, and based Cathay crews who are on similar pay to QF. SQ Mauritius crew in BNE and PER would also come into the picture – once again on less than QF.
The comparative airlines you mention do not come into the picture – KLM and Cathay. The dreaded infidels in HR will not be using these carriers when benchmarking your salary.
They will be using carriers such as Cathay Freighters where an Oz based pilot is on considerably less than a QF pilot, and based Cathay crews who are on similar pay to QF. SQ Mauritius crew in BNE and PER would also come into the picture – once again on less than QF.
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hey wish you you were hung low... what you can do is f@#K off for a start...keep your dribble to yourself.
Keg (it was good to meet you the other day too..)- I have averaged 600hrs a year for the last three ( only 50 sticks hrs a month) as a 76 F/o- but I mainly do domestic- I presume those senior enough would be up around 65... not really efficient, mainly due to duty hour limitations (bring on 5.40 with no DPA).
Keg (it was good to meet you the other day too..)- I have averaged 600hrs a year for the last three ( only 50 sticks hrs a month) as a 76 F/o- but I mainly do domestic- I presume those senior enough would be up around 65... not really efficient, mainly due to duty hour limitations (bring on 5.40 with no DPA).
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G'day inverted. Which day were you on? I talked PPRUNE on a couple of days! 
PM me if you want to keep it quiet!
Those figures I quoted above were for the 744 drivers when I looked at the figures a couple of years back. Due to the company not being able to roster us 767 drivers as we'd like, I averaged about 600-650 as a domestic driver and about 700 now that I'm more senior- although those odd weeks will put paid to that!!
PM me if you want to keep it quiet!Those figures I quoted above were for the 744 drivers when I looked at the figures a couple of years back. Due to the company not being able to roster us 767 drivers as we'd like, I averaged about 600-650 as a domestic driver and about 700 now that I'm more senior- although those odd weeks will put paid to that!!
Keg,
As you said, never seem to hear pilots whinging about low productivity.....WHATEVER THE AIRLINE !!!
Better productivity, more time at home, better lifestyle.
After reading this topic.......... what hope do we all have collectively !!!
As you said, never seem to hear pilots whinging about low productivity.....WHATEVER THE AIRLINE !!!
Better productivity, more time at home, better lifestyle.
After reading this topic.......... what hope do we all have collectively !!!
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Not that many years ago a lot of QF guys lived in the best parts
of Sydney, Eastern suburbs, lower Nth shore, had kids in the
best schools, ran businesses on the side.
They experienced the rewards of an above average income and
a tight contract on working conditions.
I wonder how many recent QF pilots will even achieve a decent
family home in Blacktown?
The same in CX, everyone had a large home 2100-3500 square
feet, cars, maids, boats, the best of holidays, in other words they
also experienced an above average lifestyle.
Nowdays CX pilots live in tiny highrise apartments, catch the bus
and cling to a very average income.
There has been a steady decline in pilot income around the world.
What can we do about it. Firstly stop kidding yourselves that any
airline management will improve things. Organised industrial
activity against airline managers everywhere is the only way to
maintain conditions, let alone improve them.
While we mouth off against THEM (the scum managers) they
laugh, until pilots unite, the downward spiral will continue.
Good luck to all
Personally, I am considering early retirement to become a truck
driver, more money less work!!!
of Sydney, Eastern suburbs, lower Nth shore, had kids in the
best schools, ran businesses on the side.
They experienced the rewards of an above average income and
a tight contract on working conditions.
I wonder how many recent QF pilots will even achieve a decent
family home in Blacktown?
The same in CX, everyone had a large home 2100-3500 square
feet, cars, maids, boats, the best of holidays, in other words they
also experienced an above average lifestyle.
Nowdays CX pilots live in tiny highrise apartments, catch the bus
and cling to a very average income.
There has been a steady decline in pilot income around the world.
What can we do about it. Firstly stop kidding yourselves that any
airline management will improve things. Organised industrial
activity against airline managers everywhere is the only way to
maintain conditions, let alone improve them.
While we mouth off against THEM (the scum managers) they
laugh, until pilots unite, the downward spiral will continue.
Good luck to all
Personally, I am considering early retirement to become a truck
driver, more money less work!!!
Dear Don
You arent the atc fella that was on a documentary about atc and pilots a few years ago are you. It had numerous nationalities and he was an aussie with the biggest chip on the shoulder about airline pilots. I seem to recognise his face from GA,another failed airline wannabee.
For your interest, BA B777 driver does around 850 hours a year
mostly 2 and 3 crew
You arent the atc fella that was on a documentary about atc and pilots a few years ago are you. It had numerous nationalities and he was an aussie with the biggest chip on the shoulder about airline pilots. I seem to recognise his face from GA,another failed airline wannabee.
For your interest, BA B777 driver does around 850 hours a year
mostly 2 and 3 crew
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Still waiting on some valid arguments here from the anti-moneyandlivingconditionsforpilotspeople.
In the meantime good luck to you guys up the top of the aviation ladder. I think you might have a fight on your hands.
You guys are setting the standards for years to come.
In the meantime good luck to you guys up the top of the aviation ladder. I think you might have a fight on your hands.
You guys are setting the standards for years to come.
