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I am almost certain by asking a question of this nature alot of people out there in Pprune land will beat me into submission. To late QF already has.
This question is directed to all the QF Management Pilot's. Could you people please explain to me and others why Qantas reject 99% of Pilot's that apply from the Qantas owned regional airlines? What have we done to be treated this way? We are a bunch of dedicated people, I am sure not unlike yourself. So what is the problem? Come clean and tell us all. Is it the training cost? If so you people should look at the turn over rate. I hope Virgin Blue bleeds the QF regionals dry to demonstrate that QF Regional Airline Pilots are a quality of Pilot/people sought after by other companies.
I guess after making this type of accusation there will be a few regional Pilot's recruited so it dosen't look like discrimination......
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This question is directed to all the QF Management Pilot's. Could you people please explain to me and others why Qantas reject 99% of Pilot's that apply from the Qantas owned regional airlines? What have we done to be treated this way? We are a bunch of dedicated people, I am sure not unlike yourself. So what is the problem? Come clean and tell us all. Is it the training cost? If so you people should look at the turn over rate. I hope Virgin Blue bleeds the QF regionals dry to demonstrate that QF Regional Airline Pilots are a quality of Pilot/people sought after by other companies.
I guess after making this type of accusation there will be a few regional Pilot's recruited so it dosen't look like discrimination......
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I guess the people in ga, ex military, ex ansett, etc etc all need an explanation as well.
But of course you passed all criteria and got caught up in a master plan by Qantas.
Everyone should beat you into submission, you are not the only one to miss out, so be happy you are one step down the food chain as many are not so fortunate.
But of course you passed all criteria and got caught up in a master plan by Qantas.
Everyone should beat you into submission, you are not the only one to miss out, so be happy you are one step down the food chain as many are not so fortunate.
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Spinner,
The lack of progression is a deliberate policy by QF to try and reduce cross training costs.
The irony is that in doing so a significant number of experienced and competent number of pilots have voted with their feet and joined DJ instead.
Personally, I think this is a disgrace, but it probably effects someones bonus so I can't see any change in this unfair and discriminatory policy in the future.
Good luck to you and your colleagues
The lack of progression is a deliberate policy by QF to try and reduce cross training costs.
The irony is that in doing so a significant number of experienced and competent number of pilots have voted with their feet and joined DJ instead.
Personally, I think this is a disgrace, but it probably effects someones bonus so I can't see any change in this unfair and discriminatory policy in the future.
Good luck to you and your colleagues
99% is a bit harsh. I've flown with quite a few ex regionals.
But yes, I understand your gripe, I think Ansett did the same with it's regionals. In fact I've heard of pilots resigning from one regional and working for the opposition to successfully improve their chances of joining the original parent airline! The flood eventually resulted in word comming down you would be black listed if you resigned. Damed if you stayed or left.
**** happens, it's not right or fair.
But yes, I understand your gripe, I think Ansett did the same with it's regionals. In fact I've heard of pilots resigning from one regional and working for the opposition to successfully improve their chances of joining the original parent airline! The flood eventually resulted in word comming down you would be black listed if you resigned. Damed if you stayed or left.
**** happens, it's not right or fair.
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It is unfair and bloody stupid.
The regionals have some very talented pilots amongst their ranks but QF doesn't give a rats arse.
Now Virgin are smarter than that as they actively source pilots from the regionals.
Its no wonder Virgin are rapidly eroding QF's market share.
Their recruitment policy is but one indication of how enlightened their management really are.
They poach QF regional guys and gain a wealth of experience while QF spends more money training their replacements.
Hello QF! Anybody in there? Not firing on all cylinders are we?
The regionals have some very talented pilots amongst their ranks but QF doesn't give a rats arse.
Now Virgin are smarter than that as they actively source pilots from the regionals.
Its no wonder Virgin are rapidly eroding QF's market share.
Their recruitment policy is but one indication of how enlightened their management really are.
They poach QF regional guys and gain a wealth of experience while QF spends more money training their replacements.
Hello QF! Anybody in there? Not firing on all cylinders are we?
I think that a couple of guys have been accepted into VB from Eastern Australia Airlines this week
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Any truth to the rumour of VB starting a SY base in January?
If so, QF may see some more of their experienced and efficient Regional Pilots changing camp.
Just about every second question I get asked in the Crewroom is, "do you know of anyone with an interview/have you got an interview etc.".
Just an indication of the general feeling amongst the 'troops'.
Safe flying, hoss
.Any truth to the rumour of VB starting a SY base in January?
If so, QF may see some more of their experienced and efficient Regional Pilots changing camp
. Just about every second question I get asked in the Crewroom is, "do you know of anyone with an interview/have you got an interview etc.".
Just an indication of the general feeling amongst the 'troops'.
Safe flying, hoss
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What they do is start their career in AIPA and learn all about the "union".
Once they have learnt enough they then jump over to management and immediately help them draw up strategies to screw their colleagues.
The pilot group endorse this wholeheartedly as they love being done over and pay copious sums to the union for the privilege.
Once they have learnt enough they then jump over to management and immediately help them draw up strategies to screw their colleagues.
The pilot group endorse this wholeheartedly as they love being done over and pay copious sums to the union for the privilege.
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Capt F,
I care because QF treatment of the very dedicated regional pilot's is unjust, unfair and morally wrong. These pilot's should have more than equal footing than new hire's from the street. QF have access to the regional pilot check and training reports and I'm sure this would include their employment history. Qantas wakeup and smell the rose's. Use this fine resource that is at your finger tips.
Stop this discrimination now............................
There is that word again discrimination. Qantas....
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I care because QF treatment of the very dedicated regional pilot's is unjust, unfair and morally wrong. These pilot's should have more than equal footing than new hire's from the street. QF have access to the regional pilot check and training reports and I'm sure this would include their employment history. Qantas wakeup and smell the rose's. Use this fine resource that is at your finger tips.
Stop this discrimination now............................
There is that word again discrimination. Qantas....
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Or of course there is the other trick they seem to like to pull off....
Absorb a new airline (or merge one with another, Southern style), lay off pilots, offer them a "merit-based" interview for mainline positions and then tell them they've been unsuccessful and are never to re-apply. Not even come back in 6/12/24 months - NEVER!
So in the space of a few months these dedicated regional airline pilots have gone from what some would see as an enviable job to being kicked out on the street and having one of the greatest reasons they started flying in the first place denied them for ever.
Nice.
Allegedly.
Absorb a new airline (or merge one with another, Southern style), lay off pilots, offer them a "merit-based" interview for mainline positions and then tell them they've been unsuccessful and are never to re-apply. Not even come back in 6/12/24 months - NEVER!
So in the space of a few months these dedicated regional airline pilots have gone from what some would see as an enviable job to being kicked out on the street and having one of the greatest reasons they started flying in the first place denied them for ever.
Nice.
Allegedly.
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Come on QF Boses stand up and be counted. Your mouth takes you everywhere else so use it now or stop this discrimination today.......................................
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Guys,
I agree about the frustration, especially the Easterns/sunnies drivers, its seems as though the mighty QF take pleasure in shafting their own troops. These pilots are on par to there mainline counterparts, ie flying wise, management etc.... So why don't they use there resources properly, and at the end of the day dollars and cents, in simply taking these guys on.
They have done all the aptitude style of tests, sim etc.... But a different style of face to face interview but essentially looking for the same quality’s, come on QF flying an a/c IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!!!!!!!! As you might like to think so look at how DJ do it, less fuss, less b/s and the same result in a timely and safe manner.
I think it will take some person to show QF how to recruit pilots one day and show them what they really should be doing with aircrew recruitment in the future.
As to the QF regional guys going to DJ, good on you, you deserve a pat on the back, to say "to hell with them".
Really on face value what is so good about QF anyway, a s/o flying a b744 or b767 on great wage, (over inflated for what they do) that’s it really, it is simply the money. I believe when the bean counters finally realise the days of big bucks are gone, the pilots at QF will simply be that just pilots who go to work.
Do we really do flying for the money or for the love of it, remember when you first went solo, or when you got into ANY airline, I bet you would have felt really good.
Guys who don't get into QF but get into DJ well done, don't think of yourselves as second rate, but just as good or maybe even better than the QF guys. Think about it!!!!!!
I agree about the frustration, especially the Easterns/sunnies drivers, its seems as though the mighty QF take pleasure in shafting their own troops. These pilots are on par to there mainline counterparts, ie flying wise, management etc.... So why don't they use there resources properly, and at the end of the day dollars and cents, in simply taking these guys on.
They have done all the aptitude style of tests, sim etc.... But a different style of face to face interview but essentially looking for the same quality’s, come on QF flying an a/c IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!!!!!!!! As you might like to think so look at how DJ do it, less fuss, less b/s and the same result in a timely and safe manner.
I think it will take some person to show QF how to recruit pilots one day and show them what they really should be doing with aircrew recruitment in the future.
As to the QF regional guys going to DJ, good on you, you deserve a pat on the back, to say "to hell with them".
Really on face value what is so good about QF anyway, a s/o flying a b744 or b767 on great wage, (over inflated for what they do) that’s it really, it is simply the money. I believe when the bean counters finally realise the days of big bucks are gone, the pilots at QF will simply be that just pilots who go to work.
Do we really do flying for the money or for the love of it, remember when you first went solo, or when you got into ANY airline, I bet you would have felt really good.
Guys who don't get into QF but get into DJ well done, don't think of yourselves as second rate, but just as good or maybe even better than the QF guys. Think about it!!!!!!
Dont really want to stir the pot here, but just offer up a suggestion...
Would QF have employed you had you submitted your application to them when you had the minimum required hours? QF have a low minimum hours requirement, and among other things this allows them to gauge just how interested you are in getting a job there... This doesnt mean that they dont employ people with regional experience; i have seen it happen. Anyone wish to disagree here?
Who would you employ if you were running a company?
Having said all of that, best of luck to all of you and I hope that you all end up where you want to, getting paid what you DESERVE to be paid!!!
I shall ask the question that has been asked many times before... Why do we (as a group) seek to lower the wages of our colleagues?? I put it down to jealousy of a few, but you can put it down to whatever you want... Think about it!!!!!!!!!!
Would QF have employed you had you submitted your application to them when you had the minimum required hours? QF have a low minimum hours requirement, and among other things this allows them to gauge just how interested you are in getting a job there... This doesnt mean that they dont employ people with regional experience; i have seen it happen. Anyone wish to disagree here?
Who would you employ if you were running a company?
Having said all of that, best of luck to all of you and I hope that you all end up where you want to, getting paid what you DESERVE to be paid!!!
I shall ask the question that has been asked many times before... Why do we (as a group) seek to lower the wages of our colleagues?? I put it down to jealousy of a few, but you can put it down to whatever you want... Think about it!!!!!!!!!!
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Really on face value what is so good about QF anyway, a s/o flying a b744 or b767 on great wage, (over inflated for what they do) that’s it really, it is simply the money.
.......better money, better variety of aircraft, better destinations. I know who I'd rather work for! (Even if they were paying DJ salaries - so it's not just a case of "simply the money")
Honestly guys, lets stop pretending that QF wages are too high, surely its the other wages that are too low!!! Whether you like it or not, QF wages are low by WORLD STANDARDS...If you wish to disagree with this one, then i expect when you finally get the airline job you may be looking for, you will personally return your "excess" pay (read the difference between DJ and QF).
...."yeah right, like we are going to do that"....
When pulling down what others have worked to get, bear in mind that one day soon, the shoe may be on the ohter foot...
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I'm not going to get into the $$ side of it.
QF could save themselves quite a bit of $$. Many people working in their subsidiaries have over 5 years worth of FT9 and 10's in their files, making them a known quantity. That should give them (QF) some idea of the "technical" quality or prospects of potential candidates.
Interviews should sort out the "suitability" personality wise.
The trouble is nobody wants to set a precedent. A precedent that has the potential to improve a severely depressed morale tenfold.
Can anyone quantify what effect severely depressed morale has on an airline's safety?
Anybody?
QF could save themselves quite a bit of $$. Many people working in their subsidiaries have over 5 years worth of FT9 and 10's in their files, making them a known quantity. That should give them (QF) some idea of the "technical" quality or prospects of potential candidates.
Interviews should sort out the "suitability" personality wise.
The trouble is nobody wants to set a precedent. A precedent that has the potential to improve a severely depressed morale tenfold.
Can anyone quantify what effect severely depressed morale has on an airline's safety?
Anybody?