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Sheep Guts. You seem to have no idea of the operating economics of a Concorde. Nor much idea of the demographic that ply that route.
Give one of Winstun's average aussies the choice of 2k for a ticket and a 20 hour trip, or a 10 hour trip at 15K and see how far you get in filling up your shiny jet
Also , it may have escaped your notice that they aren't making them any more. Therefore seven Concordes on the KR is a pipe dream. They could run double the number of jumbos for less and carry 20 times the passengers.
Especially if Branson is serious about offering a billion sterling for seven airframes? He has got to be joking??? Either that or making a high publicity bluff... maybe BA should call him on that... it would be sure to send him broke.
Give one of Winstun's average aussies the choice of 2k for a ticket and a 20 hour trip, or a 10 hour trip at 15K and see how far you get in filling up your shiny jet
Also , it may have escaped your notice that they aren't making them any more. Therefore seven Concordes on the KR is a pipe dream. They could run double the number of jumbos for less and carry 20 times the passengers.
Especially if Branson is serious about offering a billion sterling for seven airframes? He has got to be joking??? Either that or making a high publicity bluff... maybe BA should call him on that... it would be sure to send him broke.
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To operate Concorde Lon-Syd via the US would certainly save some time, but are there 100 punters each day, each way, willing to pay the hefty fares needed and given the time involved for a round trip you'd probably need more than the seven airframes BA have. AF would be unlikely to want to pass any on.
You'd have quite a few stops - with the post-Gonesse mods, AF had to take 4 seats out to make the thing do JFK-CDG, so you'd be looking at LHR-JFK-LAX-HNL-NAN-SYD. Sure, lots over water so nice & fast, but with all the stops & less direct routing, would there be much time saved over LHR-LAX-SYD or LHR-HKG-SYD? Also, aging the airframe lots quicker, heavier maintenance, etc - the cost side starts to mount heavily.
Operating via Asia isn't really an option as BA & SQ found out - the Malaysians weren't too keen on having Conc in their airspace and again, multiple stops. You'd probably have to run something like LHR-DXB-SIN-SYD of SIN-BNE-SYD - quite a bit over populated areas so on (say) you're flying an expensive aircraft to run, with a small pax load, no freight - when you could have three times as many bums on seats and a full load of freight in a 767 and do that four times a day.
You'd have quite a few stops - with the post-Gonesse mods, AF had to take 4 seats out to make the thing do JFK-CDG, so you'd be looking at LHR-JFK-LAX-HNL-NAN-SYD. Sure, lots over water so nice & fast, but with all the stops & less direct routing, would there be much time saved over LHR-LAX-SYD or LHR-HKG-SYD? Also, aging the airframe lots quicker, heavier maintenance, etc - the cost side starts to mount heavily.
Operating via Asia isn't really an option as BA & SQ found out - the Malaysians weren't too keen on having Conc in their airspace and again, multiple stops. You'd probably have to run something like LHR-DXB-SIN-SYD of SIN-BNE-SYD - quite a bit over populated areas so on (say) you're flying an expensive aircraft to run, with a small pax load, no freight - when you could have three times as many bums on seats and a full load of freight in a 767 and do that four times a day.
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Whoa up there chaps!
Branson only said he would POSSIBLY use the Concorde for the inaugural flight. As he is a master at self promotion and using the media to provide squillions worth of free publicity, I think it would be true to form. As a regular occurance- no chance
Branson only said he would POSSIBLY use the Concorde for the inaugural flight. As he is a master at self promotion and using the media to provide squillions worth of free publicity, I think it would be true to form. As a regular occurance- no chance
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Yeah Guys
Borg , You must know Branson now , he likes to windup everyone with rumours.
I know perfectly well the concorde thing is a joke .
The Last Concorde youll see will be in a Stick outside and Air Base or Airport. That one outside Heathrow even though a Model, can be made full size now
But hey we are just trying ti wind you QF punters up
Branson will more than likely operate 744 or A340-600 on the route. And have, I hope a more decent seating arrangement, than QF and BA who tend to operate the route like the London Underground, packem stackem and rackem .
The baggage issue is the first thing that needs attending to.
QF and BA are bloody thieves, see my previos post.
Interesting now that these new laws in Europe on avaition, are in rule. Just passed by the European parlement
1.If you overbook and off load a revenue passenger you can get fined.
2.If you delay passengers for economic reasons, you can be fined
3. Failing to reimburse passengers for lost, stolen or damaged baggage you may be fined as an operator.
Interesting isnt it? Wouldnt work in the Carribean ar the Americas, or Oz for that matter everyone over books.
Food for thought
Sheep
Borg , You must know Branson now , he likes to windup everyone with rumours.
I know perfectly well the concorde thing is a joke .
The Last Concorde youll see will be in a Stick outside and Air Base or Airport. That one outside Heathrow even though a Model, can be made full size now
But hey we are just trying ti wind you QF punters up
Branson will more than likely operate 744 or A340-600 on the route. And have, I hope a more decent seating arrangement, than QF and BA who tend to operate the route like the London Underground, packem stackem and rackem .
The baggage issue is the first thing that needs attending to.
QF and BA are bloody thieves, see my previos post.
Interesting now that these new laws in Europe on avaition, are in rule. Just passed by the European parlement
1.If you overbook and off load a revenue passenger you can get fined.
2.If you delay passengers for economic reasons, you can be fined
3. Failing to reimburse passengers for lost, stolen or damaged baggage you may be fined as an operator.
Interesting isnt it? Wouldnt work in the Carribean ar the Americas, or Oz for that matter everyone over books.
Food for thought
Sheep
