Air Nauru - What's happening?
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I'll bet a depleted pile of **** **** it ain't gonna happen.
1. They've just had a huuuuge layup on their 10 year old RON which, one way or another, they are going to have to pay for....how?
2. With all their countries other debts/money problems how are they going to finance the lease of 2 x 757's?
3. Oh boy, I bet the locals will be pleased to hear of such plans when a lot of 'em haven't been paid for months.....
4. etc., etc.
5. Would QF (who do their maint, etc) be pleased that they bang on the door of Continental - competion of sorts in the Pacific
1. They've just had a huuuuge layup on their 10 year old RON which, one way or another, they are going to have to pay for....how?
2. With all their countries other debts/money problems how are they going to finance the lease of 2 x 757's?
3. Oh boy, I bet the locals will be pleased to hear of such plans when a lot of 'em haven't been paid for months.....
4. etc., etc.
5. Would QF (who do their maint, etc) be pleased that they bang on the door of Continental - competion of sorts in the Pacific
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Reliably aware that VH-RON will be parked up at QF facility at MEL. Air Nauru believed to have failed to have paid a court ordered sum in full to the US Bank that owns the asset.
Also reckon they may "borrow" a replacement aircraft from QF - just like they did during the recent maintenance check.
Cant see them leasing 2 x B757 under any circumstances............
Also reckon they may "borrow" a replacement aircraft from QF - just like they did during the recent maintenance check.
Cant see them leasing 2 x B757 under any circumstances............
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Come on boys, gossip is for the hairdressing salon.
Air Nauru is probably one of the best companies to work for in the Pacific, small close knit team. Financially viable and should be around til we are too old to fly.
Lets keep the comments positive
Air Nauru is probably one of the best companies to work for in the Pacific, small close knit team. Financially viable and should be around til we are too old to fly.
Lets keep the comments positive
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Agree with pushback - best little flying job in the Pacific and we want to keep it that way by resisting wacko schemes cooked up by dreamers and schemers.
Also, the new Nauru Government, for once, has some pretty smart and educated people in it who are unlikely to fall for this type of stupidity. The Island MUST have an air service, and it is unlikely to be attractive to a big operator to lob in there once a week, or month maybe. So we all better hope Air Nauru hangs in there, or else it's going to be served by two slow boats a year on their way to somewhere else. The hardship and social problems that would follow would be pretty bad, and destabilizing in a region where there's already enough of that.
So, go jam your mischievous rumours where the sun don't shine.
Also, the new Nauru Government, for once, has some pretty smart and educated people in it who are unlikely to fall for this type of stupidity. The Island MUST have an air service, and it is unlikely to be attractive to a big operator to lob in there once a week, or month maybe. So we all better hope Air Nauru hangs in there, or else it's going to be served by two slow boats a year on their way to somewhere else. The hardship and social problems that would follow would be pretty bad, and destabilizing in a region where there's already enough of that.
So, go jam your mischievous rumours where the sun don't shine.
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Both Boeing & Airbus reps have been seen at Nauru House in the last few weeks; supposedly talking to KC about a replacement aircraft.
It is rumoured that they are looking at both the 757Combi & A319/320 HGW aircraft.
Boeing are offering to replace the 734 with a 757Combi & maintain current lease rates.
This is a strainght swap to keep ON their books as they're scared Airbus will get into bed with ON.
Airbus, on the other hand, have offered an A320 or A319.
Again this is almost an aircraft swap, with asssistance with a massive training program.
It seems they are offering AirCalin's new engineering facilities to remove them from the QF camp.
As always the next couple of months will be interesting.
But what will hapen if the Republic loose their 734 as it is being used as security for a maturing loan.
It is rumoured that they are looking at both the 757Combi & A319/320 HGW aircraft.
Boeing are offering to replace the 734 with a 757Combi & maintain current lease rates.
This is a strainght swap to keep ON their books as they're scared Airbus will get into bed with ON.
Airbus, on the other hand, have offered an A320 or A319.
Again this is almost an aircraft swap, with asssistance with a massive training program.
It seems they are offering AirCalin's new engineering facilities to remove them from the QF camp.
As always the next couple of months will be interesting.
But what will hapen if the Republic loose their 734 as it is being used as security for a maturing loan.
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"...talking to KC about a replacement aircraft...." Why KC? He is nolonger the Minister in charge of transport. Reps are always floating around trying to drum up some commission. Talks can go on for years and then just fade away without an outcome. I wonder what started all this off. Just a bit of spin maybe? A new broom usualy moves the dust around for a while, then rests - could there be two new brooms in action here? (i.e. not just the new government looking at the airline). With QF (or associates) flying all around Nauru, why do Nauru need their own airline? Most travel is thru, not to, Nauru and a lot of the Nauru travel one has to wonder at the reason for it. The cost must be phenomenal running one 'modern' pax jet. Why not do a deal with a major to ensure they drop in at reasonable frequency? The OZ governments close association with Nauru could ensure that was honoured. Nauru has a regular (well it again soon will be!) air freighter service - an aircraft far better suited to carrying some of the stuff that is often rammed into the back of the 737. Not sure of the "G.B" note - I believe shd be K.P. thes days.
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Of course Nauru can't really afford a flag carrier airline any more than most other small Pacific nations. But, with fewer than 12000 people, and most unable to afford to fly anyway, why would Qantas, Air Pacific or anyone else be interested in serving the Island more than on a very occasional basis? (to keep the load factor high, about once a fortnight would probably be about all it could stand with a 737 or A320). And why should the Australian taxpayer prop it up other than by paying whatever has been agreed between Governments in return for the detention of illegal immigrants?
At the moment Air Nauru goes through there a total of four times a week, i.e. two return flights from Australia to Fiji via Nauru. This probably is over-servicing, but because of the lack of medical facilities on Nauru, it is often necessary to get people out for urgent treatment and the fresh produce that goes in on most flights is always welcome. Then there is the employment provided to locals. Sure, Air Nauru is way over-staffed, but the alternative would be to have them on welfare, of which there is none.
Because Air Nauru does regular charter work it is not a complete drain on the country's resources, and with some rationalisation could almost turn a profit. Rationalisation is currently being looked at very seriously.
As for KC talking to aircraft salespeople; he would no doubt be hoping for some 'commission'. Somehow, I think the new boys in Government would be right on to that little lurk. Any aircraft replacement will have to be less dollars than what the current 737-400 is costing, not more. If the rumour said we were getting an old -300 I might almost believe it, but if that was the intention why did they just do a 5 million dollar 'D' check on their -400?.
And, what's more, they paid for the 'D' check.
At the moment Air Nauru goes through there a total of four times a week, i.e. two return flights from Australia to Fiji via Nauru. This probably is over-servicing, but because of the lack of medical facilities on Nauru, it is often necessary to get people out for urgent treatment and the fresh produce that goes in on most flights is always welcome. Then there is the employment provided to locals. Sure, Air Nauru is way over-staffed, but the alternative would be to have them on welfare, of which there is none.
Because Air Nauru does regular charter work it is not a complete drain on the country's resources, and with some rationalisation could almost turn a profit. Rationalisation is currently being looked at very seriously.
As for KC talking to aircraft salespeople; he would no doubt be hoping for some 'commission'. Somehow, I think the new boys in Government would be right on to that little lurk. Any aircraft replacement will have to be less dollars than what the current 737-400 is costing, not more. If the rumour said we were getting an old -300 I might almost believe it, but if that was the intention why did they just do a 5 million dollar 'D' check on their -400?.
And, what's more, they paid for the 'D' check.
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fruitbatflyer. Great reply but thinking sideways..... it all comes down to money doesn't it . If there was a demand (and real pax ticket money to pay for it) there'd be a service provided by a heap of airlines. The medical bit is indeed the main problem for Nauru - so spend a bit more money resurrecting their own hospital for the services most needed. Yes, yes... I know equip (& staff) is/are expensive. Perhaps the numbers (and type of patients) who needed treatment 'elsewhere' could then be reduced - and are we really talking about a lot of life saving surgical trips that have to be done 'right now'.....or can they be arranged for the (say, on yr estimate) once a fortnight flight. Other than for the Melbourne Empire in good 'ol Oz, the biggest connection for Nauru is with Fiji. Perhaps that connection shd be encouraged with more support from there, not Oz - then only flts to/from Fiji would be required. With just one destination out of Nauru load factors would be satisfactory as all 'traffic' would be going via there - more frequent than present perhaps. Other routes would be hubbed out of Fiji, not Nauru. The main problem has always been where (in whose pocket) the money was going. The tails of past adventures could fill many books I'm sure. The money saved (and perhaps the 'Good Will' SOLD) doing away with Air Nauru ***as it currently is*** could be channelled into creating local employment aimed a reducing their imports. It really isn't that hard to grow a few lettices etc with a bit of soil (get some/make some!!) and water...! ETC...! The power of Oz shdn't be under estimated in 'looking after' a neighbour. We have been propping them up for years - punishment for the rape of their landscape is it not? I am intrigued as to where all this money is suddenly coming from (some backpay to the locals & the required-by-law D Check) - what have 'they' (the new Gov) put on hock to get it? I don't think their 'troups' would have been lucky enough to find any treasures, recently buried out in their desert, do you....! Haveagoodflightback Sunday mate! Enjoy those cold showers won't you.
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Good bunch of blokes out there!...or rather,in BNE these days I believe. Good airline,good job,well kept secret!
All of them sought by Virgin, and a lot said no...for good reason!
You blokes still operating the Norfolk charters?
All of them sought by Virgin, and a lot said no...for good reason!
You blokes still operating the Norfolk charters?
Bit of in depth conversation going on here.
Fact is Air Nauru is viable and can produce a profit for Nauru with a few schedule alterations.
Why give it to another carrier when the potential is there er2nd?
Fact is Air Nauru is viable and can produce a profit for Nauru with a few schedule alterations.
Why give it to another carrier when the potential is there er2nd?
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Yes Pushback....agreed...but what are the real needs of the country? I suggest someone else could do the airline bit (by a deal not as a giveaway - and do it better too) and the money 'returned' frorm its sale(?!) put to better use. With so much money tied up in a venture that really is for the big boys (and pockets especially) it will always be under huge pressures to 'commercially' compete with others 'out there' (now that would be a first too). Others are offering a service (air freight) and pax side could be fixed. It ain't that big a market. Sure a little tinkering may make the books look pretty right on current out/ins but what about down the track? Are the rats out there really likely to leave any good route alone if they think they can make a buck/pound/whatever out of it? They'd quickly start nibbling away at the edges. So then suddenly (again) all that would be left would be a pretty hollow shell of a company. Airlines are expensive toys for well off kids to play with - not Nauru. Again, back to basics....Nauru is a simple, small island community based on one, small mining company. That's it - unless you want to include the recent millions coming form detainee program. If the grand plan mentioned earlier were true (Japan, Honkers, Hawaii - and I see a JAL connection there - anyone follow me?) just what do you suppose the other airlines are going to do to safeguard their interests or investigations of new markets. Sorry Pushback..I have a soft spot for ON too but.....
amos2 Norfolk is still one of their 'charter ops.
amos2 Norfolk is still one of their 'charter ops.
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Nauru - a simple island community. Yeah - right. Pilots best paid in the Pacific - tax free - government conned into paying the expat pilots Australian income tax - 40 hours a month per pilot if stretched - exotic shapely F/A's - pity about the in-flight service sometimes - Air Nauru staff on the island and other government workers who consider themselves lucky to get paid once evry couple of months or so, 'cos sometimes there is no money to pay them - but pilots always get paid on time. Great job - lots of permanent first officers though. Captains would be crazy to leave that cushy job - that's why they stay living it up in Aussie.
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Pushback, have you ever read the budget papers or an accurate the end-of-year report?
Tell me who paid the lease fees or insurance charges and where are they listed.
Menen, yes the Cpatain salaries are a bit much for a single 737-400 to support, as are some of the other expenses. Why would these chaps rock the boat and depart a very well paid, no-tax job.
The mirrors are polished every day and their smoke machines are serviced regularly.
Tell me who paid the lease fees or insurance charges and where are they listed.
Menen, yes the Cpatain salaries are a bit much for a single 737-400 to support, as are some of the other expenses. Why would these chaps rock the boat and depart a very well paid, no-tax job.
The mirrors are polished every day and their smoke machines are serviced regularly.
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Evolante you'd be hard pressed to find anything to do with accounts on anything to do with Nauru - anywhere, let alone the web... Maybe things will start to change from now on....