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Three bars, I realise there many other attitudes out there. No of course I dont want to see our wages heading south. I think it will happen no matter what we think. Looking at the latest BRW mag does not paint a happy picture.
By the way. Safari suits are very comfy indeed. A uniform version of the classic suit would be very catching indeed.
Cheers DM
By the way. Safari suits are very comfy indeed. A uniform version of the classic suit would be very catching indeed.
Cheers DM
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The ones supporting low pay are usually the ones who are on it and don't know any different. You pay peanuts, you get monkeys and a threat to the reputation of Qantas with it as low cost off shoots have proven with their ability to nearly land 717's on highways and retract flap instead of gear and couldn't use an autothrotle if they fell over one.
The sooner QF utilise the aircraft they have and the crews they have and then pay them respectively instead of buying half baked GA operators who have done nothing for the reputation of Qantas and starting up airy fairy low cost international operations, then the type of thing thats in the BRW may be averted.
I agree with Kaptain M. F%$#k the whole lot of them off and start with the core you have Qantas, if nothing else, it'll keep your accident rate down.
The sooner QF utilise the aircraft they have and the crews they have and then pay them respectively instead of buying half baked GA operators who have done nothing for the reputation of Qantas and starting up airy fairy low cost international operations, then the type of thing thats in the BRW may be averted.
I agree with Kaptain M. F%$#k the whole lot of them off and start with the core you have Qantas, if nothing else, it'll keep your accident rate down.
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Well, on my payscale that makes every pilot in Australia a monkey. 
Always knew you only needed monkeys to fly airline jets....
I guess some monkeys are worth more than others
..........to the company. 
I know of only one accident by Qantas: a 747 Bangkok runway overun. Pete, what accident rate you talking about? 
Always knew you only needed monkeys to fly airline jets.... I guess some monkeys are worth more than others ..........to the company. I know of only one accident by Qantas: a 747 Bangkok runway overun. Pete, what accident rate you talking about?
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Winstun, c'mon, they got a chimp into a Mercury space capsule didn't they? Not having a go at QF's accident record, just the potential for something with so many HF, training, experience etc issues.
You have to admit, if it's all under a single core and not everybody doing their own thing, safety will be not as compromised.
You have to admit, if it's all under a single core and not everybody doing their own thing, safety will be not as compromised.
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Crikey pete. Sick of watching from the back seat are you?
Suggest you do some reading/research. The safety digest would be a good place to start whilst others do the flying.
Suggest you do some reading/research. The safety digest would be a good place to start whilst others do the flying.
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Pete,
Have I missed something, but I can't see that there is much to know about the autothrottle........it's either on, and you aren't needed, or it's off because for some reason you think that you can do it better than the machine can it's self
Have I missed something, but I can't see that there is much to know about the autothrottle........it's either on, and you aren't needed, or it's off because for some reason you think that you can do it better than the machine can it's self
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Pete Conrad,
The tone of your posts on this thread strikes me a condescending in the extreme. You could of course be simply attempting a wind up, but I suspect not.
Please visit the following links, sourced from the ATSB and see how much better Qantas would fare if they didn’t employ “monkeys” as you so eloquently put it. I have only included links to Qantas mainline aircraft, even found a case of flaps being retracted instead of the landing gear. I couldn’t be bothered to find the report, if it exists on the www, of previous “properly paid professionals” trying to land on Nebo Rd at MKY.
What does this prove?
That Qantas pilots are incompetent?
NO !! it simply proves that Qantas pilots are human and subject to all the human foibles and failings known to the rest of the human race.
Perhaps you are in the fortunate position to work for a mainline airline and be paid what you believe you are worth. Many however don’t have that luxury and they take the job that they are offered at Virgin, NJS, Alliance, etc. on the rate offered, because it’s better than being unemployed or flying a bugsmasher. (No offence intended to bug smasher pilots)
I agree to a great extent that solidarity would help all pilots in the industry, in terms of pay and conditions. Attitudes similar to (my perception of) yours, which seems to be that of some one looking down their nose at the ‘lesser mortals”, doesn’t seem to create too much solidarity, does it?
I’m sure Geoff Dixon is gilding-the-lily to some degree with his dire warnings for the future of Qantas. I also believe him when he says that many of the airlines struggling with Chapter 11 scenarios will emerge far leaner than they were, and some of this leanness will come from reduced wages. So my prediction is that the wage trend for airline pilots is a downward one. One of the significant reasons for this in my view is the contemptuous attitudes of the well paid “haves” to the “have nots”.
1. Synopsis – Taxiing too fast leads to excursion off sealed surface.
http://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation/occu...ail.cfm?ID=353
2. Synopsis - Aircraft mishandling causes tail strike.
http://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation/occu...ail.cfm?ID=310
3. Synopsis – Aircraft leaves runway during landing.
http://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation/occu...ail.cfm?ID=536
4. Synopsis – Pilot retracts flap instead of undercarriage.
http://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation/occu...ail.cfm?ID=122
5. Captain reverses decisioin to go-around and runs aircraft off runway end.
http://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation/occu...ail.cfm?ID=316
Please visit the following links, sourced from the ATSB and see how much better Qantas would fare if they didn’t employ “monkeys” as you so eloquently put it. I have only included links to Qantas mainline aircraft, even found a case of flaps being retracted instead of the landing gear. I couldn’t be bothered to find the report, if it exists on the www, of previous “properly paid professionals” trying to land on Nebo Rd at MKY.
What does this prove?
That Qantas pilots are incompetent?
NO !! it simply proves that Qantas pilots are human and subject to all the human foibles and failings known to the rest of the human race.
Perhaps you are in the fortunate position to work for a mainline airline and be paid what you believe you are worth. Many however don’t have that luxury and they take the job that they are offered at Virgin, NJS, Alliance, etc. on the rate offered, because it’s better than being unemployed or flying a bugsmasher. (No offence intended to bug smasher pilots)
I agree to a great extent that solidarity would help all pilots in the industry, in terms of pay and conditions. Attitudes similar to (my perception of) yours, which seems to be that of some one looking down their nose at the ‘lesser mortals”, doesn’t seem to create too much solidarity, does it?
I’m sure Geoff Dixon is gilding-the-lily to some degree with his dire warnings for the future of Qantas. I also believe him when he says that many of the airlines struggling with Chapter 11 scenarios will emerge far leaner than they were, and some of this leanness will come from reduced wages. So my prediction is that the wage trend for airline pilots is a downward one. One of the significant reasons for this in my view is the contemptuous attitudes of the well paid “haves” to the “have nots”.
1. Synopsis – Taxiing too fast leads to excursion off sealed surface.
http://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation/occu...ail.cfm?ID=353
2. Synopsis - Aircraft mishandling causes tail strike.
http://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation/occu...ail.cfm?ID=310
3. Synopsis – Aircraft leaves runway during landing.
http://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation/occu...ail.cfm?ID=536
4. Synopsis – Pilot retracts flap instead of undercarriage.
http://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation/occu...ail.cfm?ID=122
5. Captain reverses decisioin to go-around and runs aircraft off runway end.
http://www.atsb.gov.au/aviation/occu...ail.cfm?ID=316
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Dan,
Am familiar with the details of all the incidents you have provided. I know the names of all the capts concerned. The CHC rwy veer-off was a subject of considerable discussion at the time.
With the exception of the Bkk accident all the other incidents were crewed by scab captains who got in through the back door without testing or assessment during the dispute.
This legacy has and will haunt QF for years to come.
The individuals and the problems they cause are well known within Flight Ops management. IMHO the only thing that saves them is that they may be 'needed' by QF when the next crunch comes.
As for posts appearing arrogant, you have to remember that in a big organisation you are going to get a few ********$
The vast majority of us remember how hard it was in GA or the RAAF and are grateful for what we have now.
I believe it is human nature to want to protect our conditions - thats all
Am familiar with the details of all the incidents you have provided. I know the names of all the capts concerned. The CHC rwy veer-off was a subject of considerable discussion at the time.
With the exception of the Bkk accident all the other incidents were crewed by scab captains who got in through the back door without testing or assessment during the dispute.
This legacy has and will haunt QF for years to come.
The individuals and the problems they cause are well known within Flight Ops management. IMHO the only thing that saves them is that they may be 'needed' by QF when the next crunch comes.
As for posts appearing arrogant, you have to remember that in a big organisation you are going to get a few ********$
The vast majority of us remember how hard it was in GA or the RAAF and are grateful for what we have now.
I believe it is human nature to want to protect our conditions - thats all
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Dan,
It is plainly obvious and history has proven you always get a better training system and safety oversight within smaller corporations. I have extensive expertise in this field. By the way, I would not get out of bed for Australian mainline airline coin. That these self delluded monkeys consider themselves a cut above, is frankly the biggest joke of the aviation world.
Thankfully, I have several nationalities to claim from...
It is plainly obvious and history has proven you always get a better training system and safety oversight within smaller corporations. I have extensive expertise in this field. By the way, I would not get out of bed for Australian mainline airline coin. That these self delluded monkeys consider themselves a cut above, is frankly the biggest joke of the aviation world.
Thankfully, I have several nationalities to claim from...
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Amos,
Yes the shades of PAL scare me.
What scares me more is that the individuals I decribed above are not sacked by QF who hav long and documented histories of their transgressions.
"Above The Law" comes to mind.
Yes the shades of PAL scare me.
What scares me more is that the individuals I decribed above are not sacked by QF who hav long and documented histories of their transgressions.
"Above The Law" comes to mind.
