QF loses Tasman Flights to Jetconnect
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3 Bars,
Have to correct you on your assertion in your 4th paragraph above.
The AIPA was approached BEFORE conditions became "sh!t". That was my point 3 or so pages ago. Nothing was done prior to the horse bolting. It is only now too late.
Have to correct you on your assertion in your 4th paragraph above.
The AIPA was approached BEFORE conditions became "sh!t". That was my point 3 or so pages ago. Nothing was done prior to the horse bolting. It is only now too late.
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Chad...
Sorry my friend, but salaries in most other occupations are related to performance. And in our field, performance is directly related to safety.
And the fact that VB hasn't parked one one a golf course? There but for the grace of god go you.... I would counsel you not to tempt fate.
Back to the topic...
What makes you think that a captain earning $100K NZ is particularly going to give a crap about an airline that clearly doesn't give a rats bum about him? And don't anyone try and tell me that the line does care about him, because that amount of money for the skills, training and experience that he posseses is criminal.
I don't have the answer to this difficult situation, but I can see that it is terribly wrong. Insinuating that the actions of those willing to work for peanuts is right, moral, and in the interest of the common good is simply ridiculous.
And yes, it is within the realm of possibility that safety could be compromised.
Sorry my friend, but salaries in most other occupations are related to performance. And in our field, performance is directly related to safety.
And the fact that VB hasn't parked one one a golf course? There but for the grace of god go you.... I would counsel you not to tempt fate.
Back to the topic...
What makes you think that a captain earning $100K NZ is particularly going to give a crap about an airline that clearly doesn't give a rats bum about him? And don't anyone try and tell me that the line does care about him, because that amount of money for the skills, training and experience that he posseses is criminal.
I don't have the answer to this difficult situation, but I can see that it is terribly wrong. Insinuating that the actions of those willing to work for peanuts is right, moral, and in the interest of the common good is simply ridiculous.
And yes, it is within the realm of possibility that safety could be compromised.
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Guys, it is not up to me to make suggestions as to what action AIPA should take on this issue, as some have asked. I am not a member of AIPA and to pontificate on any course of action would be bad manners. In any event, I really do think that management has you by the short and curlies on this one. I will tell you this, I was able to knock back a lower paying jet job awhile ago but only because I had other options. But that is the crux of the issue; number of Pilots vs. number of openings. Employers should take note that employee loyalty is a function of their happiness at work and by some measure, this includes the level of renumeration. As a suggestion, if you dont like what QF are doing, why dont you vote with your feet? Emirates continues to expand and I know that some QF pilots have left for the sand pit already. But to blame Pilots for taking lower paid jobs when they have no other option is pretty unfair and to suggest that it is immoral, extreme. As I have said on another thread, it is simply incorrect to also infer that Pilots at budget carriers are inferior to their better paid collegues and I find it remarkable that the anyone would make such an assertion in the first place.
Balence, I have not ever heard of Pilots salaries EVER being linked to performance. Traditionally, salaries have always been a function of the aircraft's MTOW. Nobody who gets straight 5s in their last Sim check gets more pay than someone who recieves all 3s. I really cant see the link between safety and level of pay. It is drawing a pretty long bow to say that lower paid Pilots are simply less safe.
Performance in other professions is usually linked to some measurable criteria, such as budget reduction or production output.
Balence, I have not ever heard of Pilots salaries EVER being linked to performance. Traditionally, salaries have always been a function of the aircraft's MTOW. Nobody who gets straight 5s in their last Sim check gets more pay than someone who recieves all 3s. I really cant see the link between safety and level of pay. It is drawing a pretty long bow to say that lower paid Pilots are simply less safe.
Performance in other professions is usually linked to some measurable criteria, such as budget reduction or production output.
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Balance,
So are you saying that at QF you get paid more/less per sector according to how well/poorly you performed.
Do the better pilots get paid more than the bad ones.
Do you lose your bonus after a hard landing or wasting fuel.
Or do you just get a salary and overtime.
So are you saying that at QF you get paid more/less per sector according to how well/poorly you performed.
Do the better pilots get paid more than the bad ones.
Do you lose your bonus after a hard landing or wasting fuel.
Or do you just get a salary and overtime.
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No guys, what I'm saying is that the guy who gets a "5" will get more money than a guy who gets a "0" and fails. And think about it. What incentive has a person to do well when their company treats them like crap?
Have a deeper think about it. Flight crew salaries make up a very small proportion of the overall cost, but I will admit that to a nerdy bean counter, they are very attractive targets.
But what other safety related aspects are likely to be cut if the bean counters are targeting anyone that they can?
As far as the young guys and girls taking jobs for less and less? Well, who can blame them. It is a product of the times. But they most certainly are a contributing factor to our overall demise.
Have a deeper think about it. Flight crew salaries make up a very small proportion of the overall cost, but I will admit that to a nerdy bean counter, they are very attractive targets.
But what other safety related aspects are likely to be cut if the bean counters are targeting anyone that they can?
As far as the young guys and girls taking jobs for less and less? Well, who can blame them. It is a product of the times. But they most certainly are a contributing factor to our overall demise.
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Lets blame DJ for all of these world problems that are occuring at the moment, I heard they caused the war in Iraq, contributed to the SARS pandemic, caused HIH and One Tel to collapse, and I hear that David Hunter is going to head up some huge golbilzation conglomerate to lower the wages of QF pilots.
