Great Barrier Airlines Wheels Up
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Great Barrier Airlines Wheels Up
What happened to Great Barrier Airlines Nomad over the weekend? I heard it was involved in a wheels up landing?
Any more information out there?
GAMAN - want to comment?
Any more information out there?
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Good morning gents
Wasn't one of there pilots involved in something similar last year when he flew out to the Great Barrier Island in the Cheerokee 6 and ripped the bottom on the fuselage along the end runway light?
Maori Mobster - who is this GAMAN???
Wasn't one of there pilots involved in something similar last year when he flew out to the Great Barrier Island in the Cheerokee 6 and ripped the bottom on the fuselage along the end runway light?
Maori Mobster - who is this GAMAN???
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Okay folks here are the facts from an inside point of view.
The aircraft was on an engineering test flight when it sustained some damage to the main gear door.
The aircraft and pilot have just returned from overseas.
It is now operating on a regular basis for the company.
The cherokee six incident was an aircraft not operated by the company and was flown by a PPL from an aeroclub. I know this a "rumour" site but you should try and get your facts straight.
The aircraft was on an engineering test flight when it sustained some damage to the main gear door.
The aircraft and pilot have just returned from overseas.
It is now operating on a regular basis for the company.
The cherokee six incident was an aircraft not operated by the company and was flown by a PPL from an aeroclub. I know this a "rumour" site but you should try and get your facts straight.
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Come on GAMAN.
Are you trying to cover this up?
I have heard from a very reliable source that like you say the aircraft was on a maint flight, (to test the gear warning horn wasn't it)?
The pilot then returned to AA to land but forgot to put the gear down! OOOOPS!!!
But wait it got better. Once the pilot heard the undercarriage pods scraping along the runway decided to feed it the fat and go around and in the process did a Singapore Airlines arse scrape! ******!!
He was however lucky enough to get the wheels down and land which probably saved his arse from the big DCM.
GAMAN - You are right this is a "rumour" site but you of all people should know how small this industry is and you cant cover a @#ck up like that!
But nice try!
Are you trying to cover this up?
I have heard from a very reliable source that like you say the aircraft was on a maint flight, (to test the gear warning horn wasn't it)?
The pilot then returned to AA to land but forgot to put the gear down! OOOOPS!!!
But wait it got better. Once the pilot heard the undercarriage pods scraping along the runway decided to feed it the fat and go around and in the process did a Singapore Airlines arse scrape! ******!!
He was however lucky enough to get the wheels down and land which probably saved his arse from the big DCM.
GAMAN - You are right this is a "rumour" site but you of all people should know how small this industry is and you cant cover a @#ck up like that!
But nice try!
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Well, from the holding point at A3 it looked a bit spooky!
Well covered (or recovered!) up by then saying there could be a gear problem to the tower, doing the required fly-by then landing.
Well covered (or recovered!) up by then saying there could be a gear problem to the tower, doing the required fly-by then landing.
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Did the pilot not tell the tower that he'd had a wheels up? I'm sure theres a compulsory runway inspection that's required after an incident like that.
I'd hate to think that a piece of Nomad might have been lying on the runway afterwards waiting for some unlucky ******(s) to run over/suck up. Look what happened to Concorde..............
It sounds like a cover up to me but what bugs me is that the simple mistake of not 'dangling the dunlops' could have put others at risk. If this was reported to the tower in the accurate and timely manner in which it demands, CT7 might have also written about the hassle of being held at A3 while the runway was looked at. Was it done?
Does AIAL know of all this? I notice there is no mention of it on the CAA website under their weekly accident/incident reports. It may have been seen by the operator as worthy of hushing up as not being important. I read the CAA's site often and even something like a paraglider pilot breaking his ankle seems to get reported. If a broken ankle is worthy of reporting, surely this is too. Sure, the driver might feel a bit embarrassed by it all but I'm sure both he and the operator has a responsibility to see beyond that and look at the bigger picture. If a gear door or even a small part of it was left on the runway, I'm sure Murphy would spot it and have a field day.
A cock-up is forgiveable but a cover-up isn't.
Perhaps it was reported and the runway was inspected etc etc. If so I withdraw my comment. If not, the question of airmanship (or lack of it) is raised.
I'd hate to think that a piece of Nomad might have been lying on the runway afterwards waiting for some unlucky ******(s) to run over/suck up. Look what happened to Concorde..............
It sounds like a cover up to me but what bugs me is that the simple mistake of not 'dangling the dunlops' could have put others at risk. If this was reported to the tower in the accurate and timely manner in which it demands, CT7 might have also written about the hassle of being held at A3 while the runway was looked at. Was it done?
Does AIAL know of all this? I notice there is no mention of it on the CAA website under their weekly accident/incident reports. It may have been seen by the operator as worthy of hushing up as not being important. I read the CAA's site often and even something like a paraglider pilot breaking his ankle seems to get reported. If a broken ankle is worthy of reporting, surely this is too. Sure, the driver might feel a bit embarrassed by it all but I'm sure both he and the operator has a responsibility to see beyond that and look at the bigger picture. If a gear door or even a small part of it was left on the runway, I'm sure Murphy would spot it and have a field day.
A cock-up is forgiveable but a cover-up isn't.
Perhaps it was reported and the runway was inspected etc etc. If so I withdraw my comment. If not, the question of airmanship (or lack of it) is raised.
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hey GAMAN
what a F*&K UP
i heard you fella's were trying to cover it by saying it was an engineering test flight.
according to the Massey Home Built Aircraft Guide to Flying and you were in fact trying testing the gear wouldn't it be cheaper to put the flying waka on the old eel spears and let the gear hang out to see if it works?
coming back from overseas? is that what you call Great Barrier Island. the insect island.
what sort of place is GBA? do you guys work with Sunair Aviation out of Tauranga as well. i hear they turn there master switches off to keep the noise down!!!
what a F*&K UP
i heard you fella's were trying to cover it by saying it was an engineering test flight.
according to the Massey Home Built Aircraft Guide to Flying and you were in fact trying testing the gear wouldn't it be cheaper to put the flying waka on the old eel spears and let the gear hang out to see if it works?
coming back from overseas? is that what you call Great Barrier Island. the insect island.
what sort of place is GBA? do you guys work with Sunair Aviation out of Tauranga as well. i hear they turn there master switches off to keep the noise down!!!
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Well I've heard some interesting rumours from various people regarding the undercarriage problems with the Great Barrier Airlines plane.
CAA doesn't know about it. I thought as a responsible operator that it was in their best interest to do so. Top management decision that one.
If in fact you were doing an "engineering test flight" then why do it at Auckland Airport. If you you were testing the gear then surely if you had a problem you wouldn't test it at an International Airport? Why not North Shore where your engineering base is?
The logic behind that decision is beyond words.
If infact the real reason was the pilot forgot to lower the landing gear then this would explain some reasoning behind it. After one of those long flghts from the South Pacific Islands in a Nomad the pilot must have been quite tired.
Fly Real Fast - quite right, Sunair person was their Safety Officer. And I hear he didn't get fired!!!
Well he must be management material then...
Well I've heard some interesting rumours from various people regarding the undercarriage problems with the Great Barrier Airlines plane.
CAA doesn't know about it. I thought as a responsible operator that it was in their best interest to do so. Top management decision that one.
If in fact you were doing an "engineering test flight" then why do it at Auckland Airport. If you you were testing the gear then surely if you had a problem you wouldn't test it at an International Airport? Why not North Shore where your engineering base is?
The logic behind that decision is beyond words.
If infact the real reason was the pilot forgot to lower the landing gear then this would explain some reasoning behind it. After one of those long flghts from the South Pacific Islands in a Nomad the pilot must have been quite tired.
Fly Real Fast - quite right, Sunair person was their Safety Officer. And I hear he didn't get fired!!!
Well he must be management material then...
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Just thought I'd better clear this matter up before it turns ugly and the boys/girl at Sunair get a worse rep. than they already have.
The incident regarding the QA manager happened before he was employed by Sunair (whilst he was instructing at Ardmore Flying School). It had nothing to do with Sunair or any of the pilots that work there.
By the way... he no longer works for Sunair. Officially finishes at end of month.
The incident regarding the QA manager happened before he was employed by Sunair (whilst he was instructing at Ardmore Flying School). It had nothing to do with Sunair or any of the pilots that work there.
By the way... he no longer works for Sunair. Officially finishes at end of month.
Dances with clouds.
Tell me about the bad rep those pilots at Sunair have? Havent heard any rumours since this time last year.
Did the safety officer resign or get fired? Suppose management should have done their homework prior to employing him. Must be a job coming up then? Might send in my CV.
Tell me about the bad rep those pilots at Sunair have? Havent heard any rumours since this time last year.
Did the safety officer resign or get fired? Suppose management should have done their homework prior to employing him. Must be a job coming up then? Might send in my CV.
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Hey Sunair pilots have a GREAT rep 
So good in fact, that they can STILL get into Cathay after they've just been sacked for running a partenavia out of gas and parking it on the beach
Go Sunair!!
So good in fact, that they can STILL get into Cathay after they've just been sacked for running a partenavia out of gas and parking it on the beach
Go Sunair!!
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Duff, it is the same person you are thinking of, but don't fret, she got the DCM (& bar) from the Adelaide training phase.
Possibly for throwing a wild wobbly about not being able to attempt each test at least 3 times
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Possibly for throwing a wild wobbly about not being able to attempt each test at least 3 times
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Yeah but : the point is, how can a person get their basic level of mental capability absolutely torn to shreds in an official accident report (large sections of which will no doubt get reprinted in human factors textbooks for many years to come, http://www.taic.org.nz/aviation/02-006.pdf ), get their dodgy history splashed all over the front pages of every newspaper in NZ, become the laughing stock of kiwi GA, get sacked from job and slink out of country in disgrace, next thing you know, this same person has just breezed through one of the most notoriously difficult and thorough airline assessments in the world without any questions being asked?
And the story goes, she was already down in Adelaide halfway through a type rating, and was only uncovered when one of the pax who was on the accident flight heard about it, got understandably p!ssed off and sent a fax of the TAIC report to CX flight ops?
Questions really have to be asked.
And the story goes, she was already down in Adelaide halfway through a type rating, and was only uncovered when one of the pax who was on the accident flight heard about it, got understandably p!ssed off and sent a fax of the TAIC report to CX flight ops?
Questions really have to be asked.