Great Barrier Airlines Wheels Up
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Just read the report and I must correct myself. It was 6 attempts at IR Nav
However, from what I see there are a number of exams she couldn't get first time including all PPL's!!
How do these people even get considered for interviews with the majors.
A frustrated Duff
However, from what I see there are a number of exams she couldn't get first time including all PPL's!!
How do these people even get considered for interviews with the majors.
A frustrated Duff
Luke & Duff, as far as I can see when it comes to getting interviews at CX (for SO positions at least) it seems to be 'who you know, not what you know'. They do, after all explicitly ask if you can provide referees from within Cathay on the application form. A bit too much nudge nudge wink wink perhaps? 
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U know wot I'm talking about.
How many of the sunair boys/girls have got into any of the regionals in the last 24 months??? They have some of the most experienced (and might I add best) pilots in the country, yet no one seems to want them.
Re: the QA position, from wot I've heard u have to be under 25 and work for less than $20/hr less than 3 days a week and meet all the CAA crap requirements.
How many of the sunair boys/girls have got into any of the regionals in the last 24 months??? They have some of the most experienced (and might I add best) pilots in the country, yet no one seems to want them.
Re: the QA position, from wot I've heard u have to be under 25 and work for less than $20/hr less than 3 days a week and meet all the CAA crap requirements.
D_W_C.
Seems that MANAGEMENT have made large errors in regards to employing. A beach landing, no thorough background checks on 'potential' employees, dodgey operating quality assessors etc etc. Heard last CAA audit went perfectly though.
Things will start moving shortly for the pilots. Seems most places are pretty stagnant at moment. Would have thought there would have been some movement in the company over the last 24 months though. Has events of the past affected/ still affect the current crop?
Seems that MANAGEMENT have made large errors in regards to employing. A beach landing, no thorough background checks on 'potential' employees, dodgey operating quality assessors etc etc. Heard last CAA audit went perfectly though.
Things will start moving shortly for the pilots. Seems most places are pretty stagnant at moment. Would have thought there would have been some movement in the company over the last 24 months though. Has events of the past affected/ still affect the current crop?
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I think this post is going away from the Wheels Up incident from Great Barrier Airlines.
But anyway, to all those brave SunAir Pilots, hold on tight, I know Eagle have a funny hiring system but you will get through eventually. How long can they look over good pilots before it comes to bite them in the butt again like it did a few years ago?
But anyway, to all those brave SunAir Pilots, hold on tight, I know Eagle have a funny hiring system but you will get through eventually. How long can they look over good pilots before it comes to bite them in the butt again like it did a few years ago?
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That would be pretty sad if some sort of managment upset was resricting chances for the pilots, but if they are getting interveiws then at least the airline is willing to take a look so can't be that bad?
NZGA is a cesspit isn't it.
Hang in there things will be happening soon.
NZGA is a cesspit isn't it.
Hang in there things will be happening soon.
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That "dispute" you are talking about between him and that other guy doesnt have anything to do with that pending court case between him and that other guy for "promises" and "favours" does it???
That other guy isnt well liked in the industry. Maybe that's why that guy is where he is today.
That "dispute" you are talking about between him and that other guy doesnt have anything to do with that pending court case between him and that other guy for "promises" and "favours" does it???
That other guy isnt well liked in the industry. Maybe that's why that guy is where he is today.
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Only just got my adobe acrobat to work and have a look at the report. I forget how many times I have heard someone ask what use Polar Stereographic chart plotting is, or what use are about a million other things out of the CAA exams. So I wonder how the TAIC can drag someones ability to pass exams and link it to an aviation incident? And then have the nerve to suggest that by sitting exams people get good at them and that's a bad thing. How else do you get through them? Why do PPSC and Bristol have exam crammers in the weeks leading up to the UK CAA exams? Funniest thing is that there is a metroliner that suffered a double engine failure (when crew shut down the wrong one) a few reports down and I don't see the TAIC saying "well he only got a bare pass in systems so he really shouldn't be flying" Unbelievable.
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Yeah we all know that the actual content of the exams is utter b*ll*cks ... but I think it's fair to say they are a screening procedure.
They are trying to draw a connection between someone whose memory of non-important facts goes to pieces in the relatively moderate pressure of an exam room, and saying that that person is perhaps going to be more likely to have a total attack of headless chicken when things go wrong in the aircraft. I think that's a fair call.
Like in this case. It's easy to judge after the event but the bottom line is a perfectly good engine stopped turning on an air transport flight, she b*llocksed up the engine failure trouble checks and and then when that didn't work out she didn't even FEATHER! ******! That is not a go-for-the-checklist item at the end of the day, it is the most important memory item of all time when handling piston twins around hills and terrain, and it is supposed to be as natural as breathing. That is all it would have taken to keep the thing flying. The end result was an uncontrolled rapid descent towards high terrain in IMC
I don't know what was going through her head as the aircraft was falling out of the sky but I can tell you for sure that it was blind luck that saved that girl and her pax. There was a big black cell overhead at the time, the bases were bloody low up there all that day and if she had been just a few hundred yards further north of track she would have hit the hills before getting visual.
*shivers*
They are trying to draw a connection between someone whose memory of non-important facts goes to pieces in the relatively moderate pressure of an exam room, and saying that that person is perhaps going to be more likely to have a total attack of headless chicken when things go wrong in the aircraft. I think that's a fair call.
Like in this case. It's easy to judge after the event but the bottom line is a perfectly good engine stopped turning on an air transport flight, she b*llocksed up the engine failure trouble checks and and then when that didn't work out she didn't even FEATHER! ******! That is not a go-for-the-checklist item at the end of the day, it is the most important memory item of all time when handling piston twins around hills and terrain, and it is supposed to be as natural as breathing. That is all it would have taken to keep the thing flying. The end result was an uncontrolled rapid descent towards high terrain in IMC
I don't know what was going through her head as the aircraft was falling out of the sky but I can tell you for sure that it was blind luck that saved that girl and her pax. There was a big black cell overhead at the time, the bases were bloody low up there all that day and if she had been just a few hundred yards further north of track she would have hit the hills before getting visual.
*shivers*
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Dances With Clouds:
I was around AFS the time that the guy behind the whole master switch ordeal was. He did train as an instructor (not sure if he finished) but was given his marching orders before he ever made it onto the payroll. He then went to another school and then to another then a long time later I read about his incident that got him banned from AFS in the news to no surprise.
(Sorry to steer the thread off topic)
I was around AFS the time that the guy behind the whole master switch ordeal was. He did train as an instructor (not sure if he finished) but was given his marching orders before he ever made it onto the payroll. He then went to another school and then to another then a long time later I read about his incident that got him banned from AFS in the news to no surprise.
(Sorry to steer the thread off topic)
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Sorry Luke, still disagree. As I said in my post there are also a large number of exGA pilots that have done some pretty stupid things and are now flying rather larger aircraft having dropped out of school early and struggling with exams. Why stop at the aviation exams, why not look at the UE, school certificate and University exam passes. They didn't do a degree? Then maybe they shouldn't be flying because we don't know how they cope under extended stress. If she had done her helicopter exams and passed those as well, would that make her a better pilot?
It is poor habit to use past exam performance here and not in any other accident report. And to use the term "Mistake" in an impartial accident report is utterly laughable. Can you imagine these people doing the Erebus accident or even the Dash-8 at Palmy? Why has the TAIC and CAA changed so much? Any lawyer after our blood would happily hang his hat on this stuff.
It is poor habit to use past exam performance here and not in any other accident report. And to use the term "Mistake" in an impartial accident report is utterly laughable. Can you imagine these people doing the Erebus accident or even the Dash-8 at Palmy? Why has the TAIC and CAA changed so much? Any lawyer after our blood would happily hang his hat on this stuff.
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No,
Have a potentially disastorious incident which is completely your fault, and get through it by "Forrest Gumping" your way through the incident... then you get an airline job!
Maybe the airlines believe that these particular people that sand hills is talking about, haven't run out of good luck yet....
though I'd love to see a B767 bounce off a roof of a car! That would make quite a sight..
Have a potentially disastorious incident which is completely your fault, and get through it by "Forrest Gumping" your way through the incident... then you get an airline job!
Maybe the airlines believe that these particular people that sand hills is talking about, haven't run out of good luck yet....
though I'd love to see a B767 bounce off a roof of a car! That would make quite a sight..
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Reading through incident reports on Caa website today.... Damn there is a multitude of GBA incidents. What happened to all those people? Airlines I bet. Where do they source their pilots? I'm led to believe they are North Shore Aeroclub? The incident about the BN2 was particularly alarming. 
IDIOTS!!!
IDIOTS!!!
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Fact of the matter is. When attempting to compile a report on a light aircraft accident where there is no damage to the aircraft the investigator is relying a lot on what you have to say. It appears if you say anything more than "I was happy at 9000 ft and now it's parked on the road" these days you will get hung out to dry in a report that 10 years ago (or in any other western country) was not this judgemental. It's you career on the line.
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The pilot of the banana beach ldg about 1 year ago should be hung out to dry, if it was me i would be expecting it.
I was flying at the time of this incident and had just explained to that pilot about 10mins before hand how to x-feed the tanks (all bananas have a slightly different system) this banana was very easy. left tank left engine, left tank right engine ect.
The pilot in question didn't even attempt a x-feed and when the engine did fail from fuel starvation, did nothing about it.
A flight test was carried out after the incident by a tauranga A-Cat, the a/c was at MAUW and the engine was shut down, with cruise pwr on the live engine (in other words if you did nothing). The banana was able to maintain a 100-150fpm rod. till it joined the circuit. (work it out from 6000ft, thats 30+mins flight time).
The pilot stuffed up every thing you are taught from day one, and is now taking CAA to court for deformation and loss of income.
Who is really in the wrong??????
I was flying at the time of this incident and had just explained to that pilot about 10mins before hand how to x-feed the tanks (all bananas have a slightly different system) this banana was very easy. left tank left engine, left tank right engine ect.
The pilot in question didn't even attempt a x-feed and when the engine did fail from fuel starvation, did nothing about it.
A flight test was carried out after the incident by a tauranga A-Cat, the a/c was at MAUW and the engine was shut down, with cruise pwr on the live engine (in other words if you did nothing). The banana was able to maintain a 100-150fpm rod. till it joined the circuit. (work it out from 6000ft, thats 30+mins flight time).
The pilot stuffed up every thing you are taught from day one, and is now taking CAA to court for deformation and loss of income.
Who is really in the wrong??????