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1260 per week - is that just the one way. Just because 1260 divided by 180 (approx capacity of 738) comes to: hey presto: 7. Once a day.
720 divided by 180 comes out to a round 4.
Jeez, it's a long time since I've done any maths.
720 divided by 180 comes out to a round 4.
Jeez, it's a long time since I've done any maths.
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SQ and REX already have an interline agreement, signed a few months ago, so you can already check in at Canberra and anywhere else on the REX network and go to Singapore with associated on carriage and baggage taken care of. Oh, and what about lounges? REX and VB are getting there own up and running, I'm sure SQ could modify them to use them as well.
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Tues "Melbourne Age"
Virgin takes next step to start Pacific, NZ services
June 17 2003
By Margreet Dietz
Virgin Blue Airlines is seeking permission to fly to Fiji, New Zealand and Vanuatu as Australia's second-biggest carrier prepares to take on Qantas on international services.
Virgin wants to start flying to the three destinations from October, according to the International Air Services Commission, the government body that allocates international flying rights.
Virgin Blue has asked for 1260 seats a week to Fiji, 720 to Vanuatu and unlimited capacity on the New Zealand routes.
"We hope that we can get the international part of the airline away by the fourth quarter," Virgin Blue chief executive Brett Godfrey said yesterday.
The requested capacity would mean daily flights between Australia and Fiji and one or two flights a week to Vanuatu, Mr Godfrey said. Services between Australia and New Zealand, as well as internal New Zealand flights, would depend on whether regulators allowed Qantas's proposed alliance with Air New Zealand, he said. Virgin Blue opposes the alliance.
"We have made it pretty clear that New Zealand could be one flight a day or 30 flights a day", depending upon any alliance between Qantas and Air New Zealand, Mr Godfrey said.
The discount airline has asked regulators to ensure that Air New Zealand be forced to sell its discount unit, Freedom Air, to Virgin Blue and has also sought limits on price and service increases by its two rivals.
Qantas needs approval from competition regulators in Australia and New Zealand for its plan to buy a 22.5 per cent stake in Air New Zealand. The two airlines have made concessions to their proposed alliance, initially blocked by both regulators as anti-competitive.
The latest proposal from Qantas and Air New Zealand would give a potential rival "unimpeded" access to operate services between Australia and New Zealand.
- Bloomberg
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Virgin takes next step to start Pacific, NZ services
June 17 2003
By Margreet Dietz
Virgin Blue Airlines is seeking permission to fly to Fiji, New Zealand and Vanuatu as Australia's second-biggest carrier prepares to take on Qantas on international services.
Virgin wants to start flying to the three destinations from October, according to the International Air Services Commission, the government body that allocates international flying rights.
Virgin Blue has asked for 1260 seats a week to Fiji, 720 to Vanuatu and unlimited capacity on the New Zealand routes.
"We hope that we can get the international part of the airline away by the fourth quarter," Virgin Blue chief executive Brett Godfrey said yesterday.
The requested capacity would mean daily flights between Australia and Fiji and one or two flights a week to Vanuatu, Mr Godfrey said. Services between Australia and New Zealand, as well as internal New Zealand flights, would depend on whether regulators allowed Qantas's proposed alliance with Air New Zealand, he said. Virgin Blue opposes the alliance.
"We have made it pretty clear that New Zealand could be one flight a day or 30 flights a day", depending upon any alliance between Qantas and Air New Zealand, Mr Godfrey said.
The discount airline has asked regulators to ensure that Air New Zealand be forced to sell its discount unit, Freedom Air, to Virgin Blue and has also sought limits on price and service increases by its two rivals.
Qantas needs approval from competition regulators in Australia and New Zealand for its plan to buy a 22.5 per cent stake in Air New Zealand. The two airlines have made concessions to their proposed alliance, initially blocked by both regulators as anti-competitive.
The latest proposal from Qantas and Air New Zealand would give a potential rival "unimpeded" access to operate services between Australia and New Zealand.
- Bloomberg
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Why would they buy/lease expensive 777's?
The only rationales for having B777's would be to have a two-class service (only BA - I believe - has a 772 that is almost exclusively cattle class), or if they were thinking of going all the way across the Pacific non-stop. They could pick up loads of 763's from the Mojave, although their 733's will presumably only need Oceanic eqpt for trans-Tasman.
My view is that they will use these (B737's) trans-Tasman for the start if this happens. However, I would also think that they will want more than just into NZ and back out. Freedom Air did do AKL - CHC and ZQN for a while. DJ could always seek to hit the NZ domestic market. Big problem with doing that is the size of the population - not big enough to sustain prolonged business.
My view is that they will use these (B737's) trans-Tasman for the start if this happens. However, I would also think that they will want more than just into NZ and back out. Freedom Air did do AKL - CHC and ZQN for a while. DJ could always seek to hit the NZ domestic market. Big problem with doing that is the size of the population - not big enough to sustain prolonged business.
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Name for international VB
From various sources about the name will be:
PACIFIC BLUE
Here's the domain info:
Whois Response for pacificblue.com.au:
Domain ROID: D0427222-AR
Domain Name: pacificblue.com.au
Last Modified: Never Updated
Registrar ID: R00010-AR
Registrar Name: Melbourne IT
Status: ok
Registrant: Pacific Blue Airlines Pty Ltd
Registrant ID: ACN 097892389
Registrant ROID: C1007561-AR
Registrant Contact Name: Andrew Hay
Registrant Email: [email protected]
Wirraway
PACIFIC BLUE
Here's the domain info:
Whois Response for pacificblue.com.au:
Domain ROID: D0427222-AR
Domain Name: pacificblue.com.au
Last Modified: Never Updated
Registrar ID: R00010-AR
Registrar Name: Melbourne IT
Status: ok
Registrant: Pacific Blue Airlines Pty Ltd
Registrant ID: ACN 097892389
Registrant ROID: C1007561-AR
Registrant Contact Name: Andrew Hay
Registrant Email: [email protected]
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Apologies
For cross posting this (it is also on the Freedom Air thread, perhaps a merge is needed)
This little snippet was also in the Air NZ press vault
Paranoia, or the future??? Interesting vision of VB as the big bad wolf!
This little snippet was also in the Air NZ press vault
Virgin Intent on Eliminating Freedom Air and New Zealand Jobs Wed 14 May 2003 Statement made by Ralph Norris, Managing Director and CEO, Air New Zealand Limited, Virgin Blue has at last come clean on its real intentions in relation to Freedom Air, and that is the total elimination of a potential competitor.
Our latest undertakings give Virgin Blue a clear run at setting up trans Tasman and domestic New Zealand services without any competition in the Value Based Airline segment on some routes, but still that is not enough. They are demanding a permanent monopoly.
It is intent on knocking Freedom Air out of the skies, and Virgin Blue is nothing more than The Big Bad Wolf dressed up as Little Red Riding Hood's grandmother.
If it succeeded, more than 200 New Zealand jobs could be vulnerable, many located in provincial New Zealand centres such as Hamilton.
Many local businesses that supply services and goods to Freedom will lose that business.
To date, more than half a million travellers per annum have taken advantage of Freedom's low cost fares. The airline provides provincial New Zealand with direct access to Australian centres and a source of Australian tourists into the provinces.
It is questionable whether Virgin Blue would service these centres once Freedom Air was out of the way. It would be more likely to concentrate on the main cities in New Zealand and Australia - the key routes on which it is being offered a free ride.
This cherry picking of the main routes will present a challenge to Freedom, and Virgin Blue's latest posturing is simply designed to eliminate a competitor.
Virgin Blue positions itself as the people's champion. Reality is, Virgin Blue is a highly profitable company owned by two large multi national corporations, each larger than Air New Zealand.
Freedom Air has agreed to withdraw from the main centre routes, and restrict Freedom Air's growth for three years. That should be enough.
It would appear that nothing will ever appease Virgin Blue's never ending demands.
Our latest undertakings give Virgin Blue a clear run at setting up trans Tasman and domestic New Zealand services without any competition in the Value Based Airline segment on some routes, but still that is not enough. They are demanding a permanent monopoly.
It is intent on knocking Freedom Air out of the skies, and Virgin Blue is nothing more than The Big Bad Wolf dressed up as Little Red Riding Hood's grandmother.
If it succeeded, more than 200 New Zealand jobs could be vulnerable, many located in provincial New Zealand centres such as Hamilton.
Many local businesses that supply services and goods to Freedom will lose that business.
To date, more than half a million travellers per annum have taken advantage of Freedom's low cost fares. The airline provides provincial New Zealand with direct access to Australian centres and a source of Australian tourists into the provinces.
It is questionable whether Virgin Blue would service these centres once Freedom Air was out of the way. It would be more likely to concentrate on the main cities in New Zealand and Australia - the key routes on which it is being offered a free ride.
This cherry picking of the main routes will present a challenge to Freedom, and Virgin Blue's latest posturing is simply designed to eliminate a competitor.
Virgin Blue positions itself as the people's champion. Reality is, Virgin Blue is a highly profitable company owned by two large multi national corporations, each larger than Air New Zealand.
Freedom Air has agreed to withdraw from the main centre routes, and restrict Freedom Air's growth for three years. That should be enough.
It would appear that nothing will ever appease Virgin Blue's never ending demands.
